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I heard Barton state BP was at fault, all he objected to was the thuggish behavior by 0bama, and that is what has your panties in a bunch - he dared to be critical of government.
Yes, his party leadership threatened to kick him off the board if he did not comply to their damands and take back the comments. So he folded in order to keep his seat.
Well, maybe instead of threatening and coercing, he could have just sat down with BP in the first weeks, without preconditions, the way he's willing to chat with our enemies.
That would be begging. Corporations, as it is, control political landscape in this country way too much anyway, and to see the government beg and play to the terms of BP in the middle of a major disaster, well, is only for losers and corporate shills. Spare me.
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Originally Posted by southward bound
Exactly, the way we can trust Ahmadinejad. Or Obama, for that matter.
Or, Netanyahu, for that matter... but he could do no wrong, just like corporations and corporate shills.
At least Obama is my President, and directly accountable to us (you may exclude yourself).
The defense of BP wasn't working, so we'll switch to the defending BP by way of their share holders. Interesting.
Well, in the end someone was going to get screwed the question would be whether or not it would be those that had no culpability (residents and businesses in the affected area) or those that do (fiduciary share holders). From a national policy perspective, I believe the President made the correct choice.
Yes, his party leadership threatened to kick him off the board if he did not comply to their damands and take back the comments. So he folded in order to keep his seat.
I agree he should not make comments like these, unless he is prepared to provide proof or bring up charges. There are ways to hold people in government accountable, and making statements like these at a public hearing is not the proper place.
The defense of BP wasn't working, so we'll switch to the defending BP by way of their share holders. Interesting.
Well, in the end someone was going to get screwed the question would be whether or not it would be those that had no culpability (residents and businesses in the affected area) or those that do (fiduciary share holders). From a national policy perspective, I believe the President made the correct choice.
The correct choice was two months ago when he should have accepted help to prevent as much of the oil from reaching the coast as possible.
This is the only place where you will see 0bama take any action, its all he knows how to do; shake down corporations for money. You won't see him leading the effort to clean up and contain the oil, he is deferring to BP on that, but not to worry, Salazar is waiting in the wings:
Salazar: “If we find that they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing, we'll push them out of the way appropriately and we'll move forward to make sure that everything is being done to protect the people of the Gulf Coast, the ecological values of the Gulf Coast, and the values of the American people.”
Too bad hell will freeze over before that happens. Who cares now, 0bama has $20 billion dollars, not to stop the devastation or prevent it, but compensate after the fact, after wildlife dies, after generational jobs are lost, after we see even greater pollution and ecological destruction. yup, we will wallpaper it over with dollar bills... there, it's all better... take care now...
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A quick 5 minute Google search for what the United Kingdom thinks about 0bama's inflaming the issue and bad mouthing BP...
At least they are Brits. It is expected. What are you?
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Originally Posted by southward bound
Consider how many Americans have BP in their retirement funds...if they're unionized, and their funds fail, taxpayers will bail them out. If you're not a union member, and your pension fund fails, sorry...
Anybody who takes stock market as a guarantee for big returns is a fool. BP is responsible for its stocks, not the US government. Get a clue.
I'm still trying to understand why Barton "took back" his appology. The actions of most of the senators asking questions and grandstanding for political advantage was an embarrasment to this country, someone should appologize for them. It was pretty apparant that not a one of them was looking for answers or solutions to the spill. They were trying to look tough and score some points with their fellow lawmakers by talking tough to this CEO. The head of BP came across as more intelligent, thoughful and sincere than any of them did. Can't we elect better national leaders than these?
Obama did not have to "demand" restitution. He was posturing.
BP always said they would pay for cleanup, and for legitimate claims from residents. You can bet there will be plenty of opportunists (yes, legal US citizens are often opportunists) who will put in illegitimate claims. I don't blame the company for not wanting to stand on the corner passing out money to everyone.
I think a fine point is being missed in this, and that is the way that Obama handled this - he "derides them publicly, going so far as too summon them to the white house and seemingly coerce and threaten them into doing something" that they were going to do anyway. (Good choice of words, Wapasha). Much like the way Republicans threatened and coerced Barton to retract (what he legitimately had a right to say). Politicians are such nasty people, and politics is a dirty business.
As for this exchange: We have laws and regulations, Which BP overrode
Let me point out this: Which the government inspectors ignored, preferring to play video games and watch porn instead of doing the job they were paid to do. Should they help pay restitution to the residents of the Gulf? Should the Federal Government share the responsibility? Remember all those windfall profits taxes they collected from the oil industry?
How about putting that into escrow too, and how about Obama returning is campaign contribution from BP by adding it to the escrow fund? Maybe he should think about how he looks to the rest of the world while he's posturing with his boot on the neck of a private company.
Yes because BP has proven themselves to be so responsible during this whole debacle we should trust them to do what is right when it comes down to paying off these claims. After all its not like their have been a bunch of internal e-mails that showed the company was cutting corners on some things, or made aware of certain problems and ignored them, they are completely trustworthy. Oh wait...... BTW, BP has given more $$$ to the GOP in every single election cycle.
Yes, his party leadership threatened to kick him off the board if he did not comply to their damands and take back the comments. So he folded in order to keep his seat.
The GOP House Study Committee (which is a conservative group which makes up 2/3 of House Republicans) released a similar statement the day before (didn't apologize to BP, but used the shakedown term), but it wasn't out in the public.
I agree. I think all GOP candidates should get behind Barton, and make that the central issue of their election bids. We all know that we can trust big business to do what is right, don't we?
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
I heard Barton state BP was at fault, all he objected to was the thuggish behavior by 0bama, and that is what has your panties in a bunch - he dared to be critical of government.
Correct, just shows you some only hear what suits their own agenda, and haven't a clue.
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