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With all due respect, where do you get the idea that you are a non-conservative Christian? Your beliefs are on par with Evangelical (Conservative Christian) thinking. Most non-Evangelical Christians do not believe Jesus is the only way to salvation and that people of other faiths are damned.
With all due respect, where do you get the idea that you are a non-conservative Christian? Your beliefs are on par with Evangelical (Conservative Christian) thinking. Most non-Evangelical Christians do not believe Jesus is the only way to salvation and that people of other faiths are damned.
I don't consider myself "evangelical," or anything else other than a Christian or "Christ-follower." Also, my post was about politics, not theology (I agree that I'm theologically conservative).
Anyway, I'm a left leaning christian too--but conservative theologically. Except for abortion, I really don't get why you almost have to be right wing in order to be a good christian in this country. In fact, the more I read my new testament, the less I'm able to reconcile with right wing talking points--especially when it comes to health care and most war.
Am I the only non-(politically) conservative Christian out there?
The title is a little hyperbolic, I mean, my close friends back home (in Michigan) are all left-leaning Christians. However, it seems like any sort of Christian organization leans FAR to the right, any organization, commentary or event targeting Christians has a right-wing slant, many churches promote the right-wing agenda and the vast majority of Christians I meet here (Minnesota) are far-right conservative Republicans. Additionally, it seems like most Democrats, moderates and / or liberals are atheists or agnostics.
I honestly feel like I'm the only one who feels this way. I read my Bible, and I don't see where it supports the Tea Party agenda. However, apparently most Christians think it does?! I just don't get why American Christianity seems to be married to the right-wing agenda? In my opinion, Republican economic policy, foreign policy and social agenda (other than abortion) stands in opposition to Biblical values. Are abortion and gay marriage really the ONLY issues American Christians care about?!
My views:
I am a Christian (non-denominational)
I believe Jesus is the only way to God
I believe the Bible is the word of God
I would describe myself as politically moderate
I am for a progressive tax system (tax the rich more)
I'm against "free trade" -- I support protectionist policies
I support single-payer, universal healthcare
I'm AGAINST the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (bring our troops home now!!!)
I oppose war in most cases -- I believe in diplomacy over military action
I'm against the death penalty
I'm against abortion in all cases
I'm personally against gay marriage, but I don't think the government should ban it
I support amnesty for undocumented immigrants and a guest worker program
I don't think Sarah Palin is the next George Washington
I don't listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage or other such demagogues
I'm not a Tea Party member
I know Barack Obama is not a Muslim (or born in Kenya)
Am I really the only Christian who feels this way?
Well, I'm going to be blunt. I think you are pretty mixed up.
Conservatism is consistent with Christianity. Liberalism (socialism) is not.
You mentioned you are against the death penalty, a typical "liberal" view. But the death penalty was prescribed by God as just punishment for the crime of murder, because murder is a sin against God himself. Why? Because man was created in God's image. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood; therefore, the death penalty is not murder.
Taxing one group more because they have more is more consistent with Marxism. I personally favor a flat tax. Everybody pays the same percentage. A percentage being what it is, the wealthy will be paying more, but the same percentage. What could be more fair? But to punish them by making them pay a larger percentage is wrong.
As for war. Do you not believe that there is evil in the world? You cannot and should not negotiate with evil. Did Christ negotiate with evil? No, he did not. Should we have negotiated with Hitler? Japan? Is "diplomacy" changing Ahmadinejad's mind about the West? Should we be "negotiating" with a man that wants Jews wiped off the face of the earth? No, we should not. The man is evil.
Muslims want to wipe out the West. They believe America is the Great Satan. Do you think we should negotiate? I don't. When they attack us, we must respond with all the military power we have.
Even God sent his people to war, and told them to leave no living thing. And to not take any animals.
Wars unfortunately are necessary, because people are evil.
How do you know Barack Obama is not a Muslim? He has referred to his "Muslim faith" on more than a few occasions, before he "corrected" himself at the prompting of his interviewer. He was raised a Muslim, went to a Madrasa (Muslim school) in Indonesia. His "Christian" experience has been black liberation theology, and "collective salvation" which bares no resemblance to Biblical Christianity. Therefore, I cannot call him a "brother in Christ". I don't know him.
Neither do we know that he was not born in Kenya. His grandmother says he was, and so do some of his other family members. We have no valid birth certificate showing a US birth.
Illegal aliens are law breakers. They have entered our country illegally. Do you not support law enforcement? Should we all become law breakers? What kind of country would we have?
Finally, who is saying that Sarah Palin is the "next George Washington" or are you just thowing that in for effect and showing your contempt for her and the "Tea Party" movement, which is responsible for this historic victory last Tuesday?
Originally posted by nononsenseguy
Well, I'm going to be blunt. I think you are pretty mixed up.
Conservatism is consistent with Christianity. Liberalism (socialism) is not.
You mentioned you are against the death penalty, a typical "liberal" view. But the death penalty was prescribed by God as just punishment for the crime of murder, because murder is a sin against God himself. Why? Because man was created in God's image. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood; therefore, the death penalty is not murder.
Taxing one group more because they have more is more consistent with Marxism. I personally favor a flat tax. Everybody pays the same percentage. A percentage being what it is, the wealthy will be paying more, but the same percentage. What could be more fair? But to punish them by making them pay a larger percentage is wrong.
As for war. Do you not believe that there is evil in the world? You cannot and should not negotiate with evil. Did Christ negotiate with evil? No, he did not. Should we have negotiated with Hitler? Japan? Is "diplomacy" changing Ahmadinejad's mind about the West? Should we be "negotiating" with a man that wants Jews wiped off the face of the earth? No, we should not. The man is evil.
Muslims want to wipe out the West. They believe America is the Great Satan. Do you think we should negotiate? I don't. When they attack us, we must respond with all the military power we have.
Even God sent his people to war, and told them to leave no living thing. And to not take any animals.
Wars unfortunately are necessary, because people are evil.
How do you know Barack Obama is not a Muslim? He has referred to his "Muslim faith" on more than a few occasions, before he "corrected" himself at the prompting of his interviewer. He was raised a Muslim, went to a Madrasa (Muslim school) in Indonesia. His "Christian" experience has been black liberation theology, and "collective salvation" which bares no resemblance to Biblical Christianity. Therefore, I cannot call him a "brother in Christ". I don't know him.
Neither do we know that he was not born in Kenya. His grandmother says he was, and so do some of his other family members. We have no valid birth certificate showing a US birth.
Illegal aliens are law breakers. They have entered our country illegally. Do you not support law enforcement? Should we all become law breakers? What kind of country would we have?
Finally, who is saying that Sarah Palin is the "next George Washington" or are you just thowing that in for effect and showing your contempt for her and the "Tea Party" movement, which is responsible for this historic victory last Tuesday?
Jesus was neither conservative nor liberal. You cannot claim that Jesus would have voted for the tea party any more than I can claim that he would have voted for Obama.
Anyone who ties in Christian orthodoxy with political ideology is in serious error.
I believe that all paths where a person is good in mind, body, and soul can lead to God or a power greater that humanity
This is not Biblical, therefore not Christian. You cannot believe this an be called a Christian. Jesus said "I am the way ... no one comes to the father but through me". Obviously, you do not know the Bible.
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I believe the bible is a book written and interpruted by man and has many lies and untruths in it.
Men wrote as the Holy Spirit led them. It is the inspired Word of God. What errors and untruths? They are in your mind only. It is what you believe. You are not a Christian. You do not believe God.
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I feel Politically Moderate, (Leaning to the left, also African American)
I believe that the rich should be taxed more
Not 100% against free trade and wish there was more international governmental control but then it would not be free trade anymore
I actually like the Healthcare Cost Reform bill, ObamaCare
Oh, really? Why? You don't know what's in it. You don't know what it will cost you. From what we have learned so far, it is going to cost all Americans more than what they pay now, to say nothing of all the other legislation, regulations, etc. they have hidden in it. It is bad legislation, passed with bad motives and agains the will of the people. I was written no by congress but by the "Center for American Progress" and other left wing groups that hate America. It must be repealed, because it is going to destroy us if it is not.
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Against the war in Iraq for the ongoing war in Afghanistan
I am actually for war when it is the last possible option
As I said in another post: Negotiation with evil is never an "option". You do not compromise with evil.
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Against the Death Penalty in all instances
Why? God prescribed it for the crime of murder because it is a sin agains God himself.
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For abortion for only 3 reasons, to protect the mother, cases of incest, and cases of rape, and then in these choices it is up to the mother not the state. All other reasons I against abortion
Abortion is murder. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood. There is no one more innocent than a baby in the womb. How could anyone be so cold as to murder a baby in the womb? That is the highest form of evil, in my opinion.
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All for gay marriage, let them get married and stop complainig about what other people are doing
Marriage was ordained by God. Let's not make a mockery of what God has created.
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For all the immigrants here illegally now, we should document them and make them pay unsubsidized rates for services and make them legal tax paying Aliens, now for the borders and future immigrants there should be a work program that makes the path to becoming a citizen a little easier but also very strict
Tried that before. Here we are again. Didn't work the last time and it isn't going to work this time either. Send them home.
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Sarah Palin-Blah
Fox News People- even more blah
Tea Party- the most blah that I have seen in my 3 short decades on this earth
And I will vote for President Obama again in the next election if he runs again, I believe the direction that he is trying to bring the country in is a good direction and I like about 85% of his policies.
So, you are a Marxist. Sorry, wrong direction. I love liberty. I want my country back. This man is evil. Plain and simple.
With all due respect, where do you get the idea that you are a non-conservative Christian? Your beliefs are on par with Evangelical (Conservative Christian) thinking. Most non-Evangelical Christians do not believe Jesus is the only way to salvation and that people of other faiths are damned.
You'd better read that O.P. again. This person is a mixed bag. Has no clue.
I'm a conservative (theologically) Christian with very liberal (political) views. You aren't alone. I've voted Democrat (or independent) in every election I can remember.
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