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Surely you realize that this "clinic" was far from the norm. The so-called doctor wouldn't have been able to get away with it so long if not for the fact that he took advantage of illegal aliens and very poor women who probably had no way of knowing what kind of slim-ball he was until it was too late. The "clinic" was the exception to the rule where as this kind of place WAS the norm before Roe vs. Wade.
Shouldn't have been around at all if the promises pro-abortion folks had made were kept. Namely, that we needed to legalize abortion to get rid of places like this.
It would also appear this place has been in existence for awhile. Where were all the women's health advocates? Now we know they don't care if abortionists kill babies but this guy killed a woman as well. Isn't that another thing Roe v Wade was supposed to stop? Deaths of women from abortions?
Originally Posted by Wayland Woman Surely you realize that this "clinic" was far from the norm. The so-called doctor wouldn't have been able to get away with it so long if not for the fact that he took advantage of illegal aliens and very poor women who probably had no way of knowing what kind of slim-ball he was until it was too late. The "clinic" was the exception to the rule where as this kind of place WAS the norm before Roe vs. Wade.
Shouldn't have been around at all if the promises pro-abortion folks had made were kept. Namely, that we needed to legalize abortion to get rid of places like this.
It would also appear this place has been in existence for awhile. Where were all the women's health advocates? Now we know they don't care if abortionists kill babies but this guy killed a woman as well. Isn't that another thing Roe v Wade was supposed to stop? Deaths of women from abortions?
You seem to be under the impression that Pro-Choice advocacy groups are law enforcement officers, health department inspectors and medical ethics board members whose job it is to oversee clinics around the country. You seem to be ignoring the fact that laws were broken at this clinic that offend Pro-Choicers every bit as much as they do you. You seem to be ignoring the fact society in general---Pro-Lifers included---didn't give a damn about these women in the gang and drug infested neighborhood where this clinic was located, which is why the slim-ball doctor was able to get away with what he did for so long. I dare say you can't find a single shred of proof that any Pro-Choice group was even aware of what was going on at that clinic---which was clearly against the law and not their responsibility to monitor anyway---just like Pro-Lifer groups didn't know. I repeat: This "clinic" was the exception to the rule where as this kind of place WAS the norm before Roe vs. Wade. There isn't a law made on earth that isn't broken by someone. That doesn't make the law inherently bad.
Last edited by Wayland Woman; 01-23-2011 at 08:18 PM..
Shouldn't have been around at all if the promises pro-abortion folks had made were kept. Namely, that we needed to legalize abortion to get rid of places like this.
It would also appear this place has been in existence for awhile. Where were all the women's health advocates? Now we know they don't care if abortionists kill babies but this guy killed a woman as well. Isn't that another thing Roe v Wade was supposed to stop? Deaths of women from abortions?
Ridiculous statement. What womens health advocates knew of this place?
The AUTHORITIES KNEW of this place, people reported it to them but they did not investigate. Who's fault is that? Right to lifers? Pro choicers? No. The agency in charge of overseeing abortion clinics should be held responsible for allowing this to continue this long. Where was the oversight??? That is the tragedy.
If there were No LEGAL abortions available because backwards thinking people convinced the supreme court to overturn RvW then you can expect a ton of these kinds of situations. Because de-regulation (Just like with the BANKS) leads to NO GOOD.
This is a very very rare case, some crackpot Dr. doing all kinds of nasty things to scared, poor, and vulnerable women and girls. NO ONE thinks that is right. So stop pointing fingers.
An unborn baby has NO rights because you have to be BORN to be a citizen of the USA. Why is that so HARD to understand??
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An unborn baby has NO rights because you have to be BORN to be a citizen of the USA. Why is that so HARD to understand??
I guess that is the definitive argument why the unborn have fewer rights than illegal aliens.
I guess that is the definitive argument why the unborn have fewer rights than illegal aliens.
We already went through this. Because until the unborn can support itself outside of MY WOMB, my right to not stay pregnant takes precedent over it's right to keep residence inside my lower body cavity. But when it becomes viable on it's own if it was to be delivered, my right to end the pregnancy loses it's protection and the protection is passed on to the fetus inside.
The date keeps changing because the viability date will continue to change with Medical Science.
PS
For the Jesus Freaks in the crowd, if God wants us to discover a way to keep a fetus viable earlier than what we currently have, it will happen. If he doesn't, then the nothing changes. Therefore, God is ok with choices we currently have. Why aren't you?
France
Abortion is legal on-request in France in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy (first trimester). Abortion has been decriminalized since the passage of the Veil Law in 1975. Abortion had been criminalized in France with the imposition of the Napoleonic Code. After the first trimester, two physicians must certify that the abortion will be done to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable. Abortion in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Italy Abortion in Italy became legal in May 1978, when Italian women were granted the right to terminate a pregnancy on demand during the first 90 days. Although a proposal to repeal the law was considered in a 1981 national referendum, it was rejected by nearly 68% of voters.
Current Norwegian legislation and public health policy provides for abortion on demand in the first 12 weeks of gestation, by application up to the 18th week, and only under special circumstances thereafter.
in Ireland is illegal unless the pregnancy is in threat of endangering the life of the woman (as differential to her health) through continuance of the pregnancy.
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