RANT-To The Blacks That Use This Word.......Thanks A Lot (URRRGH) (accuse, revolution)

[Xander_Crews]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

It’s bogus when people try to redefine TRUTHS with a negative label in order to caste aspersion upon the truth. Phrases such as “the victim mentality” and “the race card” are simply an attempt to wrap truths that make some people uncomfortable with negative connotations in the hope that it will keep the truths from being mentioned. Furthermore, the main people who like to throw around this “victim mentality” are conservative types. All I have heard from conservative type, since Democrats took over in 2008, is the “victim mentality”. All I hear from those of you who don’t like black folks blaming their condition on anyone else…..is YOU blaming conditions on the “liberals”..... “Oh….they are destroying this country….oh they are ruinning my grand children’s future …..oh they are ruining the economy ”. In other words…..”Oh….we are being victimized ". Let’s have a rally and complain how we are victims of Washington or Liberalism. I have never heard a bigger bunch of whinners and victims than conservatives when a black man and democrats took control . Lets form a Tea-Party….because we are being victimized ”…lol. If hypocrisy is a ticket to hell, then many of you better start packing a cooler…..lol. Do people like you have a mirror? If you can't be victims then shut the hell up crying about what Democrats are doing or what Republicans are doing because is sounds like you are saying you are victims and nothing anyone else does matter for the present or future......just like you tell black folks. All the debt that your grand children will inherit will have NOTHING to do with the past......just like you tell black folks that our conditions have nothing to do with the past. The present ONLY impacts the present...not the future and your grand children will be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps regardless of what people do today or how large a debt burden is accrued....JUST LIKE YOU TELL AND EXPECT BLACK FOLKS TO DO....despite the consquences of their past. There are no victims.......unless they are white.....obviously.


As for Asians, Asians are SELECTED into the United States. The Asians that come to America are usually among the elites and best and brightest class from whence they cometh. They come over on Hb-1 work visas and as Graduate Students and many end up citizens that do well. They are also concentrated in metropolitan areas where the cost of living and pay is higher than average. They also tend to have extended family in homes which boost household income. In short, there are many variables involved in why the Asia population stands above the rest. Granted, there are some Asians that come over as refugees and you get a better cross section or average Asian than the elites that come over as students and on work visas. I live in a metro area that has many South East Asian refugees they have street gangs, housing projects residents and don’t fit the “Asian model” that people like to portray. They are just like everyone else.

So you were enslaved? You were in the south during the Jim Crow era?

Again, if you want to be equals, act like equals... this applies to the N word. If you don't like it, then you guys have to stop saying it, if you are fine with saying it but refuse to let white people say it, you are guilty of racism and a segregationist state of mind.

And the tea party has nothing to do with a black president, they are just as against the corporatist GOP as they are against the socialist liberals. The idea of the tea party is not left vs. right, it is up vs down.

They are for human rights and shrinking the government so that it serves us again, not the other way around. Do some research before you make political analogies that make no sense what so ever.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by ditchlights

Thank you for your response.

Why would a progressive organization not update their name to reflect current interests do you think? Maybe rename it the UAACF then?

LOL..well, perhaps that does make sense.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

You have got to be kidding, right?
Try using the n word and see what happens. In fact you can' t even type it on here.

I do use it. And i think that you should be able to type it in here. But i don't own this board and i respect their decision.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Mac_Muz

If this is true why is Africa still the poorest continent?

If this is true why are Scots not whining about England enslaving them up to 1745?

I think a lot of the problem is that some many black will never drop that race card.

Until they do nothing will get any better, and since Obama took office things are going backwards. Pulling that race card just set anger off in everyone else. The sooner that ends, the faster blacks will get ahead.

UPS is owned by a black man and yet I see no black drivers. I don't know that there are none, but I have never seen one.

I know other blacks in the USA and in Canada that are upper middle class, and the one thing they all have in common is they put on their boots stood up, and went to work.

They didn't waste time whining about what happened to their great great grand parents.

The day of welfare is nearing it's end. There may be a form of welfare, but to get it, it's a good bet you will have to do one or another form of community service. A lot like working at a job, but for less bennies.

I have broken a lot of bones of the years. Once I feel about 6 feet, and landed on rock hard frozen gravel. For that I cut my forehead, scraped and bruised both legs, chipped a silver dollar size bone off my left elbow and broke my wrist.

I was back at work doing carpentry the next day.

Wanna eat gotta work, no 2 ways about it for me. The boss was nuts about me working, but I was the ram rod and with out me working nothing else happened. On the job the Boss was mine to tell what to do and how to do it, by his own choice, and I had 2 other people on the job he hired besides me.

The work delayed the healing, but I didn't whine any about it. Hurt too.

I can whine about it after I'm dead....... Blacks can too, but with things as they are, they better do something to improve thrir lots, I damnned well do. The time to whine is long past due.

What in the world are you talking about?

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Xander_Crews

... What do you think you are doing claiming the right to say a word and saying white people can't?

You are part of the same problem that you use as an excuse. Want to be treated as equals? ACT LIKE EQUALS, this is not a hard concept to grasp.

I love the self-flattery. "You're only my equal if you act like i want you to act!"

But the first sentence is the laugher of the year.

[buddy5]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

What in the world are you talking about?

I think he's saying that the past is over. Life is what you make of it NOW. My mother picked cotton, had to quit school in the 8th grade, and was an indentured servant until she turn 21. My father had to quit school when he was in the 4th grade to work, and he supported his mother and 5 siblings. I graduated high school, and my kids graduated college. Something that happened even 50 years ago, is not affecting anyone now, unless you let it.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by buddy5

I think he's saying that the past is over. Life is what you make of it NOW. My mother picked cotton, had to quit school in the 8th grade, and was an indentured servant until she turn 21. My father had to quit school when he was in the 4th grade to work, and he supported his mother and 5 siblings. I graduated high school, and my kids graduated college. Something that happened even 50 years ago, is not affecting anyone now, unless you let it.

I'm 45 years old. Do you SERIOUSLY think that you told me anything in that post that i don't know already?

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by Xander_Crews

So you were enslaved? You were in the south during the Jim Crow era?

Again, if you want to be equals, act like equals... this applies to the N word. If you don't like it, then you guys have to stop saying it, if you are fine with saying it but refuse to let white people say it, you are guilty of racism and a segregationist state of mind.

And the tea party has nothing to do with a black president, they are just as against the corporatist GOP as they are against the socialist liberals. The idea of the tea party is not left vs. right, it is up vs down.

They are for human rights and shrinking the government so that it serves us again, not the other way around. Do some research before you make political analogies that make no sense what so ever.

What I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy in many whites. What I hear from many whites is the theme that the future of their Grand Children will be ruined by the choices and actions people are making today, particularly those in Washington. Hence, is it a prerquesit that those grand children be a part of the CURRENT reality to be impacted by it? In other words, would it require that those Grand Children live in these times to be impacted by things done in these times? Hence, implicit in the worries of many whites about the future their grand children will inherit is the BELIEF that what happens in the past (our present) can and will negatively impact people in the future (their grand children).

You see, either people can be impacted by the past, regardless if they existed or participated in that past, or they cannot be. You cannot have it both ways. Whites cannot argue and worry that THEIR future generations will be impacted by decisions made today, then when black folks say they are negatively impacted today by things that happened in the past, whites try to discredit the argument based upon many ofus not existing in those times. It does not require YOUR grand children to exist in these times when you are arguing and worrying that they will be impacted by profligate spending in Washington and other decisions made in Washington today. white have no problem linking the past to the present and future FOR THEIR PEOPLE. When it comes to white people judging black people, you attempt always discredit the link between the past and the present, always arguing “were you a slave….did you live under Jim Crow”, which are all diversions.

Like I pointed out also, the main people I hear crying “victim” are white conservatives. All I have heard since 2008 is how they are being victimized by the liberals in Washington and how the country is being victimized and how the future of their children are being victimized. Yet, these are the SAME folks who disparage blacks for a “victim” mentality….lol . These are the same folks who try to decouple the past from the present in regards to black folks, yet, want people to believe that things being done today is going to ruin the future of their grand children in this country .

But wait a minute…….why can’t your superior grand children pull themselves up by their bootstraps REGARDLESS of what happens today, regardless of how many trillions in debt is passed on to the future, regardless of policies that deplete jobs, etc, etc ? Since they are WHITE like you, they will triumph and rise above any hurdles inherited from the past, so there is no need to even consider how things done today impacts the future. Right ? Of course it’s right because that is what you tell black folks. Nothing in the past is an excuse for not achieving today….right? Thus, regardless of what happens today, no matter the trillions or even zillions, your grand children will have a fresh start because THEY DON’T EXIST IN THESE TIMES, hence, they cannot use it as an excuse for their shortcoming 25 and 50 years from now…..right? If they don't enjoy a standard of living as good as what you enjoyed.....ITS ALL THEIR FAULT. It will have NOTHING to do with what happened in the past because people in the present cannot be impacted by the past or what others do. Each generation gets a FRESH START to make something of themselves unrelated to past events. Right? It must be right because that is what you tell black folks in regards to 300 years of oppression and laws having nothing to do with our challenges today. We are just lazy irresponsible people. That is our problem....not the past. Right?

You all are a walking contradiction. The scary thing is that you can’t even see your bias.

[Xander_Crews]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

I love the self-flattery. "You're only my equal if you act like i want you to act!"

But the first sentence is the laugher of the year.

You missed the point completely. I don't care if you choose to use the N word or not, but if you want to be an equal, you can't ***** about white people doing the same thing you do.

You don't want to be equal, you want to be special from the other races on the subject of the N word.

And who are you to laugh at me, you are the guy threatening "major drama" and "a bad day" to anyone who calls you the N word, but only if they are white... that isn't racism? I can only assume you mean you would physically harm someone for using the word, or throw a temper tantrum, both of those are extremely childish things to do. The course of action you speak of is one of weakness generally reserved for cowards.

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

What I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy in many whites. What I hear from many whites is the theme that the future of their Grand Children will be ruined by the choices and actions people are making today, particularly those in Washington. Hence, is it a prerquesit that those grand children be a part of the CURRENT reality to be impacted by it? In other words, would it require that those Grand Children live in these times to be impacted by things done in these times? Hence, implicit in the worries of many whites about the future their grand children will inherit is the BELIEF that what happens in the past (our present) can and will negatively impact people in the future (their grand children).

You see, either people can be impacted by the past, regardless if they existed or participated in that past, or they cannot be. You cannot have it both ways. Whites cannot argue and worry that THEIR future generations will be impacted by decisions made today, then when black folks say they are negatively impacted today by things that happened in the past, whites try to discredit the argument based upon many ofus not existing in those times. It does not require YOUR grand children to exist in these times when you are arguing and worrying that they will be impacted by profligate spending in Washington and other decisions made in Washington today. white have no problem linking the past to the present and future FOR THEIR PEOPLE. When it comes to white people judging black people, you attempt always discredit the link between the past and the present, always arguing “were you a slave….did you live under Jim Crow”, which are all diversions.

Like I pointed out also, the main people I hear crying “victim” are white conservatives. All I have heard since 2008 is how they are being victimized by the liberals in Washington and how the country is being victimized and how the future of their children are being victimized. Yet, these are the SAME folks who disparage blacks for a “victim” mentality….lol . These are the same folks who try to decouple the past from the present in regards to black folks, yet, want people to believe that things being done today is going to ruin the future of their grand children in this country .

But wait a minute…….why can’t your superior grand children pull themselves up by their bootstraps REGARDLESS of what happens today, regardless of how many trillions in debt is passed on to the future, regardless of policies that deplete jobs, etc, etc ? Since they are WHITE like you, they will triumph and rise above any hurdles inherited from the past, so there is no need to even consider how things done today impacts the future. Right ? Of course it’s right because that is what you tell black folks. Nothing in the past is an excuse for not achieving today….right? Thus, regardless of what happens today, no matter the trillions or even zillions, your grand children will have a fresh start because THEY DON’T EXIST IN THESE TIMES, hence, they cannot use it as an excuse for their shortcoming 25 and 50 years from now…..right? If they don't enjoy a standard of living as good as what you enjoyed.....ITS ALL THEIR FAULT. It will have NOTHING to do with what happened in the past because people in the present cannot be impacted by the past or what others do. Each generation gets a FRESH START to make something of themselves unrelated to past events. Right? It must be right because that is what you tell black folks in regards to 300 years of oppression and laws having nothing to do with our challenges today. We are just lazy irresponsible people. That is our problem....not the past. Right?

You all are a walking contradiction. The scary thing is that you can’t even see your bias.

Dude, people complaining about the government spending are complaining about it for ALL races inside the United States. It is so far from being a race specific issue, having a black president has nothing to do with it, he is essentially a carbon copy of George Bush JR. Not to mention because of slavery many blacks who were not slaves got reparations, our grandkids will not.

Not to mention, you are using a straw man argument:

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

So I shouldn't even respond to it, but I will. People's kids and grandkids getting stuck with a national debt, will make them poorer in the future. Has slavery made black people poorer? Yes, but that period is over, and black people have the same opportunities as white people do. Any barred from potential success are victims of their specific situation, black or white.

And you ignore what I am talking about, you where never a slave, I never owned slaves... so what about slavery divides you and myself? Nothing.

I do not see how slavery happening before our time is sufficient for you to carry on with racism and segregation between you and I.

I want to be equals with every person of every race, you guys want your own special words and "rights".

[Xander_Crews]

Allow me to add, I have many black friends, and healthy relationships with them. This is because we hold each other to the same standards as ourselves. It would not work near as well if they claimed to have different rights than me or vice versa. It works because we see ourselves as absolute equals, we don't needlessly segregate between ourselves... it is beyond me why you would advocate such a thing as racism.

And yes, claiming the right to a word that you deny to other races IS racism.

One of the most used phrases in the civil rights movements for blacks was "we should not be judged by the color of our skin". But because I share the skin color of some people that I didn't know who did some terrible things early in this country's history, you want to judge me by the color of my skin and tell me what I am and am not allowed to say.

Hypocrisy much?