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Old 02-26-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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can you prove any jobs will be eliminated or is this just more left wing bs?

The rich already pay way too much in taxes.

Losers and welfare bums pay zero in taxes. We have 47% of american who do not pay into the tax base and have no right talking about it.

The koch brothers give people good paying jobs? Something wrong with that?

At this point they have created more jobs then the commi in the wh.

Not one middle class person will be effected by the governor trying to save the state from bankruptcy. That left wing nutjob lie wont fly anymore.

Unless of course the teacher and all the other thieves do not return to work and get fired!
lol!!!

 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Why do you support tax cuts for the rich and for corporations being paid for by eleminiating the jobs of middle class Wisconsin workers?
I'm not answering any kind of questions from you until you can back up your false claims that Walker cut taxes for the rich.

And nobody is eliminating jobs, that is what Walker is trying NOT to do, but it looks like it's going to happen anyway b/c of the fleebaggers.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It's called deferred compensation plan. In other words, unlike board rooms who pay themselves up front in contracts for work they have yet to perform, union workers invested their lives in 20-30 yrs of labor for deferred compensation. No robbery on their part. Stop lying. If you drove a car for 30yrs and another bill is due as term and condition, you can't blame the car for where you steered it or how you failed to manage the terms of the agreement.

Interesting take. How about your take on union bosses who spend their lives strong arming taxpayers and corporations? How would they compare to these board rooms?
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:29 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why can't you just man up and say you support cutting taxes for the rich and powerful and that you support those tax cuts by firing teachers, police officers, and firefighters?
I support fiscal responsibility, and policies that encourage the growth of private sector jobs, aka taxpayers.

You know, the taxpayers you need to pay the public sector employees' overly-generous slaries and benefits. Unless you think the public sector creates enough wealth to sustain itself. And if that's the case, cite your source.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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It all starts making sense doesn't it. You push to break the public sector unions and make them scape goats so you can give no bid contracts to your buddies when you privitize those services. No wonder the Senators left the state--to give people time to figure out just what Walker really wants to do with this bill.

Do any of you ever look at it from this side--who better to hold government officials and managers accountable than employees who also have a vested interest as tax payers? People have a way of doing some pretty sleezy things when they're not playing with their own money, and managers really have no incentive to create a productive and positive work environment if it's not their own business, where their bottom line depends on a quality work force. Unions--through labor management committees--can and do make serious contributions to making state and local government more efficient and well managed. If you want to find the problems, or figure out what works and what doesn't, ask the employees doing the work.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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I support fiscal responsibility, and policies that encourage the growth of private sector jobs, aka taxpayers.

You know, the taxpayers you need to pay the public sector employees' overly-generous slaries and benefits. Unless you think the public sector creates enough wealth to sustain itself. And if that's the case, cite your source.
Your twisted beliefs of "fiscal responsibility" means that firefighters, police offericers, and teachers will have to lose their jobs so Wal-Mart can get tax cuts and the Koch brothers can take over Wisconsin's energy sector.

 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why do you support tax cuts for the rich and for corporations being paid for by eleminiating the jobs of middle class Wisconsin workers?
This is where your ilk makes a HUGE tactical error. That "middle class" consists of millions of taxpayers who are robbed at gunpoint by the employee public unions and their co-conspirator elected officials to pay for their overly generous salaries and benefits via property taxes, etc., confiscated from... the middle class.

The taxpayers are much more likely to see themselves as the victims in this dispute. They are the ones who have to pay through the nose for those public employees' salaries and benefits. They are broke. What about that do you not get? Serious question.

The unions are pitting themselves against the middle class, and Americans nationwide recognize that. The unions are DONE.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Problem is that there will no longer be a way to "work your way up."

In other words, there will be no "up" to work you way to.
Citation please.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your twisted beliefs of "fiscal responsibility" means that firefighters, police offericers, and teachers will have to lose their jobs so Wal-Mart can get tax cuts and the Koch brothers can take over Wisconsin's energy sector.
Cite your source that the public sector can sustain itself.

Given that the selfish unions won't face the reality that there is no money, the tough choices are:

- Lay off thousands of public employees to make up for a multi-billion dollar deficit Walker inherited from Doyle

- Tax corporations more, which causes more job losses, which results in fewer taxpayers, and end up with even more of a deficit than you had before due to further declining tax revenue ...which causes you to lay off those public employees anyway, only now you've amplified the problem.

Pick one.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 03:56 PM
 
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Cite your source that the public sector can sustain itself.

Given that the selfish unions won't face the reality that there is no money, the tough choices are:

- Lay off thousands of public employees to make up for a multi-billion dollar deficit Walker inherited from Doyle

- Tax corporations more, which causes more job losses, which results in fewer taxpayers, and end up with even more of a deficit than you had before due to further declining tax revenue ...which causes you to lay off those public employees anyway, only now you've amplified the problem.

Pick one.
You already picked. Tax cuts for the rich and powerful. Get rid of teachers, firefighters, and police officers.

Disgusting.
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