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Old 02-26-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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This is also precisely what unions do, buy governors and elected officials.
I'd like to see a listing of the all the lobbyist that bribe our politicians for favors, and I'll bet you that the corporate and bankster lobbyists outweigh the union lobbyist 10 to 1.

Lets get rid of all lobbyists since it will benefit the majority in this country rather than the select greedy few.

 
Old 02-26-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The money ISN'T THERE. Where do you think it is going to come from?
No one on the side of the protesters, including the unions, can answer that.
Americans do not want increased taxes; their own incomes are stretched enough.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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In that election, who had more money? That's who is allowed to win. It's a bidding war for control of legislation by special interests not qualified to make decisions in the best interest of all no matter who you elect. THIS is the point.
Let's look at who bid for Barrett:

the public sector unions gave Barrett $90,540
...with the Education Industry giving another $179,968
...and civil servants and public officials giving another $231,610

Now what about the trade unions? How much did they give Walker's Dem opponent? $312,959

And apparently, the Dems didn't want Barrett to win because they gave him very little for his campaign.
BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

The unions bid on Barrett, the Dems wouldn't back him, and Barrett lost. As such, so did the unions. What hasn't yet dawned on the unions is that they lost because the Dems sold them out in WI. They should be asking themselves why.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Let's look at who bid for Barrett:

the public sector unions gave Barrett $90,540
...with the Education Industry giving another $179,968
...and civil servants and public officials giving another $231,610

Now what about the trade unions? How much did they give Walker's Dem opponent? $312,959

And apparently, the Dems didn't want Barrett to win because they gave him very little for his campaign.
BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

The unions bid on Barrett, the Dems wouldn't back him, and Barrett lost. As such, so did the unions. What hasn't yet dawned on the unions is that they lost because the Dems sold them out in WI. They should be asking themselves why.
Because the Dems can't give them what they want and the Dems will not do what it takes (cuts) because it goes against everything they stand for.
Dems are not about cuts but about spending and social justice.

When you have less revenue and increased spending, CUTS are the only sane alternative.

But the Dems will come back pointing the finger at the Repubs as all their fault.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Lifetime defined benefit pension... you mean to abolish all pensions? Why?
Because the money isn't there. I can't make it any more clear, so I'm wondering why you don't understand that.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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Because the money isn't there. I can't make it any more clear, so I'm wondering why you don't understand that.
When you cut taxes for the richest citizens and the biggest corporations, yes the money won't be there.

That's what I love about Walker, he cut taxes for the rich and is sticking it to the little guy. Beating him in 2014 will be easy.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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The money ISN'T THERE. Where do you think it is going to come from?

Which sector creates jobs that are not dependent on the government's ability to continue to collect enough tax revenue?

The pains the public employee unions are having to face (and note that this isn't optional - the math doesn't lie), is that tax revenues have declined and 71% of Americans DO NOT want to pay any more of any kind of tax (Gallup).

I'll ask you the same question no lefty has been willing to answer:

71% of Americans don't want to pay more of any type of tax, including property tax.

How do the public employee unions reconcile that with their expectation to be able to demand more from the taxpayers?
Reality math is if the cost of whatever is high, you'll decide to pay it by making more money yourself OR accept less service. Americans have the mistaken belief they can have both and that pragmatism needs to apply to the debate. It's not that unions are sacred cows. It's the way things are gone about that betray your party. They're not in the business of being fair or sensible.

No doubt in my mind our standard of living is collectively declining and will continue to decline with previous republican plans, current republican plans, and with democrat plans deliberately undermined by disingenuous negotiations. No doubt in my mind government services will have to contract. No doubt in my mind every word bill maher said is true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if88PgI-vfU
The big stupid boat is a sacred cow. Reagan implemented BRAC as he should, every ounce of pain for that decision was born on Clinton by GOP deflection. In the process Reagan opened up the barn to jackals in military industrial complex. The dog was wagged in Iraq and there's no denying that fact. The outside world authoring American history in this era will not be painting a flattering picture if it's committed to truth telling.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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When you cut taxes for the richest citizens and the biggest corporations, yes the money won't be there.
You do know that property tax, not income tax, funds school districts in WI, right? Everyone pays property tax or they lose their property.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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You do know that property tax, not income tax, funds school districts in WI, right? Everyone pays property tax or they lose their property.
Teachers are holding people's homes hostage.
 
Old 02-26-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Reality math is if the cost of whatever is high, you'll decide to pay it by making more money yourself OR accept less service. Americans have the mistaken belief they can have both and that pragmatism needs to apply to the debate. It's not that unions are sacred cows. It's the way things are gone about that betray your party. They're not in the business of being fair or sensible.
Um... the Dems and the public employee unions kind of got themselves into a little bit of a bind demanding and promising things that couldn't be paid for. So then, which is the party not being fair or sensible?

Not to mention... which is the party that lied to its constituents about what they were going to get?

Figured out where that $10.9 billion is going to come from yet?
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