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Old 04-13-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
What could be more American than an entrenched wealthy class that exists on the output of the masses?

Oh, excuse me...

That's feudalism.

That's what we revolted against in 1776.
Yep, thank you.

 
Old 04-13-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Yes I have read some of you other posts. You have no credibility IMO because all you do is name call. Same old chant, "Anybody who doesn't agree with me is an idiot", as if you are so smart.

You hate any company that has succeeded. what is your life experience that makes you such a hater of any company that has succeeded?

Corporations are the ones that employ people. What is you idea, they all go bankrupt and fire everybody?

I noticed you deride politicians for connections to businesses but, don't mention the union and associations connection to the dems. Why is that?
I name call when it's deserved. For instance, Paul Ryan is an idiot. Barack Obama is a spineless corporate sellout. Both accurate and well deserved. By the way, where are you when your fellow right wing buddies are calling people "lazy" and calling other posters here idiots and the like? Why is that not the "same old chant?" I could call you a hypocrite because it appears the shoe may fit.

I do not "hate any company that has succeeded." Stop with the right wing talking point. I applaud any company that succeeds on their OWN merit, not on cronyism and favors. I applaud any company that treats their employees fairly and ethically and doesn't pay them McWages and threaten to ship their jobs overseas every couple of months if the government doesn't give them a tax giveaway. I applaud any company that doesn't live off taxpayer financed bailouts nor try to use their influence to write tax codes and regulations to favor them.

What is my idea? How about the good old "free" market? Instead of crony capitalism where fat cats snuggle up with lawmakers to stack the deck in their favor creating artificial winners and losers? How about instead of 10,000 tax loopholes that allow giant corporations to dance their way to zero taxes we have a simple and fair tax code where corporations actually pay a damn dime in taxes? How about we take the casino atmosphere from Wall St where banksters make it rain by speculating and gambling in shoddy markets and then when the fun stops just cozy up to Uncle Sam and make it rain with taxpayer dollars? How about instead of fat cats dodging taxes in sun kissed Caribbean tax shelters and creating jobs in China and Mexico they actually keep jobs here in America and pay taxes to the country they claim to "love" so much?

Why don't I deride unions? Because their membership is something like 12% of the workforce. They're really not all that powerful. The days of the Democrats being the "worker's party" is over. I deride Democrats for taking corporate bribe money because they do. The same corporations pay off Democrats and Republicans. There aren't two parties and people like you see everything through partisan glasses which is what they want. They want us distracted with issues like gay marriage and abortion so no one notices the heist of the century taking place under our noses. They laugh while people actually think there's a dime worth of difference between the GOP and the Democrats.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
What could be more American than an entrenched wealthy class that exists on the output of the masses?

Oh, excuse me...

That's feudalism.

That's what we revolted against in 1776.
But the wealthy class EARNED it because they're rich. Why did they earn it, because they deserve it. Why do they deserve it? Because they're rich. Why are they rich? Because they earn it. Why did they earn it? Because they deserve it.

And on and on and on the wheel of circular logic and justification spins and spins.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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It isn't about "handouts" it is about doing what is right, and making sure everyone is treated fairly, and people aren't being exploited, to make others rich.
No it's not about treating everyone fairly. It's about equal opportunity, not outcome. That would be communism.

If you insist upon treating everyone fairly, eventually you will be taking from the doers and giving to the takers. Then you only have takers, because there's no incentive to "do". Welcome to american under the progressives.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Question What circular logic?

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But the wealthy class EARNED it because they're rich. Why did they earn it, because they deserve it. Why do they deserve it? Because they're rich. Why are they rich? Because they earn it. Why did they earn it? Because they deserve it.

And on and on and on the wheel of circular logic and justification spins and spins.

No, no, no, no...

They deserve it because Jesus loves them just like he loves money. Besides, everybody knows that poor people are poor because they're just lazy. Jesus hates lazy bums. But if your job is to lay out by the pool waiting for the dividends to hit your account, then your hard labor just isn't rewarded enough. God (and the GOP) want you to get a tax break.

GOP Jesus

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Old 04-13-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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But the wealthy class EARNED it because they're rich. Why did they earn it, because they deserve it. Why do they deserve it? Because they're rich. Why are they rich? Because they earn it. Why did they earn it? Because they deserve it.

And on and on and on the wheel of circular logic and justification spins and spins.
WoW, well this is just weird...ok, well I haven't heard one person say someone "earn" their wealth because they "deserve it".....that clearly sounds like some kind of left wing belief because many of them feel as if you "deserve" all kinds of stuff for just breathing...

Sorry but that bull isn't going to fly....some of us are aware that it takes more then mere "deserving" something to have it..some of us are aware that you have to work for it...they is why you "deserve" it...no one ever stated what you just said..

not sure why you said what you said....don't know if it was just a misinterpretation or just an outright lie...

at the end of the day, they just wanted it more...don't know why you would ever want billions and billions of dollars, what could you possible buy?...but hey I'm not obsessed with with other people's lives because my own isn't all that interesting or I just happen to be unhappy and want to blame someone else..
 
Old 04-13-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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General managers of sports organizations do not make many times what the sports atheletes make - and that is what the CEO is comparable to. The CEO is a glorified manager, who has managed to claw his way to the top of the management ranks. He is not the originator or founder of the company, and he does not represent a commodity that people are willing to pay money to see, ie, professional atheletes. He is a MANAGER, pure and simple, and is not worth more that the product he manages.

So a CEO is a "glorified manager"?..."pure and simple"?....well hell, why aren't you and many others who think its so "simple" become CEOs?...I mean by then you can pay your employees whatever you want, offer them unlimited benefits , generous vacation days, etc

So whats holding you up?
 
Old 04-13-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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Do you get on those who work and still need government assistance to make ends meet? Do you get the corporate welfare queens?
Yes and yes.. If you've read enough of my postings here you'd also find I get on those collecting Social Security and such liberal programs which perpetuate poverty..

Government is NOT there to support people..
 
Old 04-13-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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It isn't about "handouts" it is about doing what is right, and making sure everyone is treated fairly, and people aren't being exploited, to make others rich.
I'll make you the same offer I've made to others here..

I have a tenant I"m getting ready to evict, I'm sure you will have no problem sending me the $1,000 they owe me so I can delay their eviction..

Please pm me for my address, I'm anxiously awaiting your check. I'll also notify the tenant you are volunteering to pay their rent for them..
 
Old 04-13-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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So a CEO is a "glorified manager"?..."pure and simple"?....well hell, why aren't you and many others who think its so "simple" become CEOs?...I mean by then you can pay your employees whatever you want, offer them unlimited benefits , generous vacation days, etcSo whats holding you up?
I never said it was 'simple' to become a CEO, obviously it isn't. Secondly, the CEO is not my 'employer', the corporate entity is. He is an employee that holds a certain job title, just like me. The problem is, they start to think they are royalty instead of an employee. Like one CEO who had a private elevator that went straight to the penthouse office, because he didn't want to associate with the 'common' employee. They make bad decisions, but when they lose millions for their company, they are given a golden parachute worth millions, instead of just being shown the door, like the 'common' employee.
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