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Old 04-23-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
I will be your guess.
Nothing dubious about typos. Sorry about the missing "t". Now shall we return to the relevant issue?

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Are you saying that if the President of the United States commits a crime that he can just stay in office and do what he is doing without any problems?
I misspell a word or two but I can at least consistently follow my own argument. Your comment was:
"He would be going to jail for the rest of his life is what would happen."
Assuming that we are talking about the crime of misrepresenting one's citizenship, even if you could prove fraud, which I highly doubt in this case, there isn't a sentencing guideline be it state or Federal that would call for a life sentence for fraud.

As for your newly minted argument:
Are you saying that if the President of the United States commits a crime that he can just stay in office and do what he is doing without any problems?
Ah, no. What I am saying and have said before that is what Article I Sections 2 & 3 are specifically for. Read them sometimes.

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If Obama goes out and breaks into a home or business, under your thoughts he would continue to carry out this office like nothing happened until they can impeach him?
Pretty much. Pleased be sure to note the dates of this memorandum issued by the Office of Legal Council.

OLC: A Sitting President's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal Prosecution

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So in your mind the President can never be arrested then? And if he is he can just say hey I am the Prez and you have to let me go so I can continue with my job?
Not in my mind but in the mind of the highest level of the Justice Department and the Office of Legal Council. However, impeachments do not last forever which nullifies your angst over the word ever. Once the impeachment process is concluded or failing that, at the end of a President's term of office, they are liable for criminal prosecution.

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If the Obamanator committed fraud onto our country he will be a criminal and would be removed from his duties once the crime has been proven period.
Sorry, but you have the order of judicial proceedings backwards. If hypothetically, Obama committed fraud, he would be impeached and then tried in criminal court. Not the other way around.

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Joe moves up and Barry goes to jail and awaits trial.
By Jove I think she's got it!

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Then again he does not believe in speedy trials like he has handled the promised KSM deal now does he?
You were doing so marginally good up until this point. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in 2003, 6 years to Obama being sworn in so PLEASE do not preach to us about the right to a speedy trial.
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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Just for fun. Let's discuss what would happen if Obama's BC was proven to be false. That he was proven to have been born in Kenya?

Please BTW, let's keep this on topic. This isn't about whether or not he really was born in Hawaii. Keep that controversy out of this topic please.

Let's just keep this a "what if" about him actually being born in Kenya. What would happen?

Impeachment obviously. But what then?

President McCain would be sworn in immediately and Gov Palin would become VP.

Don't be the last to dump your oil futures, precious metal investments and stock in GE.
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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President McCain would be sworn in immediately and Gov Palin would become VP.
Only in your most fetid dreams.

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Old 04-23-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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I'll have this discussion "for fun" after the discussion as to what would happen if George W Bush got tried for war crimes. At least that is dealing with reality. The war crimes being reality and all.

Seems BO would be indited as a co-conspirator.

Oh, wait a minute.

That's not right.

Bush got permission from Congress before he took us to war in accordance with the Constitution.

Looks like BO would have to stand trial alone.
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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One side would blame Bush.
The other side would have a major political orgasm.
Joe Biden would taken over.
2012 would be interesting.

Employment will still decline as gas continues to goes up.
My life probably wouldn't change all that much.

Biden cannot become president since BO would have never legally won the presidency.
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Newport, Rhode Island
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seems bo would be indited as a co-conspirator.

Oh, wait a minute.

That's not right.

Bush got permission from congress before he took us to war in accordance with the constitution.

Looks like bo would have to stand trial alone.

awesome
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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Biden cannot become president since BO would have never legally won the presidency.
Ah, but in this hypothetical Biden would have been legally elected as Vice President.

Nice try though.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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It seems that there are a few issues nobody has brought up in this thread yet.

The law at the time makes it at the quite possible and maybe even likely that even if Obama was not born in the US, he would be a natural born citizen because of his mother. If he was still born a citizen, then he would still be eligible for office and all that would have happened was a politician telling a lie.

Everybody here also seems to be answering this question on an assumption that if there was clear evidence that showed Obama was not born in the US, that Obama actually knew about it. His mother when registering him for school in first grade in Indonesia stated his birthplace as Honolulu. Obama told a news reporter in 1990 when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review that he was born in Hawaii. The certified birth certificate he put on the internet, backed by the relevant Hawaiian officials from both parties, shows that he was born in Honolulu.

So if there had been this secret, clandestine trip taken by Obama's mother to Kenya in mid-1961, wouldn't it be possible, or maybe even likely, that Obama never knew about it? Nobody actually remembers their own birth. It is actually very important to this entirely ridiculous and hypothetical thread whether Obama actually knew where he was born. In that case, that would be embarrassing for him to learn as a 50 year old that he was not born where he had always thought he was born, but in that case, has he done anything wrong?
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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"Do as I say, but not as I do". That has been his M.O. all along. He is a good talker, but that is all about he is good at.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Everybody here also seems to be answering this question on an assumption that if there was clear evidence that showed Obama was not born in the US, that Obama actually knew about it. His mother when registering him for school in first grade in Indonesia stated his birthplace as Honolulu. Obama told a news reporter in 1990 when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review that he was born in Hawaii. The certified birth certificate he put on the internet, backed by the relevant Hawaiian officials from both parties, shows that he was born in Honolulu.
I didn't address this issue because it is a side issue to the thread's question, but I alluded to as much while responding to... oh I forget, anyway, the problem with proving fraud is that a prosecutor would have to prove prior knowledge. How one goes about proving prior knowledge of one's birth is more than a bit puzzling.
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