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Old 09-02-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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The author of the article does make a valid point. Why should someone who has no skin in the game be given a voice on how that game is played?

I would counter by ensuring everyone with an income paid taxes, regardless of the amount. Then everyone will have contributed and, therefore, be entitled to voice how their taxes are being used.
Like I said, what if they paid a cent each? Anyways its a fallacy that poor people don't pay taxes, while some may not pay directly via an income tax, they pay indirectly via gasoline tax, whenever they buy any goods or services (taxes are passed down to the consumer by the company) etc.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Matthew Vadum, a leading crusader against "Acorn" and alleged "urban voter fraud", apparently feels bold enough these days to spell out the REAL agenda: poor people in America have no business voting in the first place. They just make "bad choices", that wind up costing the "producers" of society money, by voting for Democrats, and useless things like social justice and equal rights.

Finally, the "voter ID/ voter fraud" legislation sweeping the Red States (courtesy of ALEC, the arch-conservative American Legislative Executive Counsel) gets exposed for what it really is: a Randian Corporate Elite campaign to repeal universal suffrage (one at-risk voter block at a time) in favor of an aristocracy in America.

All part and parcel of the Corporate Overlords and their GOP handmaidens' plan to return the US to the "gilded age" of..., well I used to say 19th Century, but this crapola means we're headed back to the 18th Century now.

Articles: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American
CORPORATIONS don't vote.
It won't happen, but only tax PAYERS should be voting. Anyone taking more than SS are on the dole and tend to vote themselves politicians that give away the treasury to stay in power.

Just pass a balanced budget amendment and leave an acception for war and a national emergency and this all will fix itself.
If there is no money to bribe for a vote the number of "producers" will go up as the dole goes down.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Like I said, what if they paid a cent each? Anyways its a fallacy that poor people don't pay taxes, while some may not pay directly via an income tax, they pay indirectly via gasoline tax, whenever they buy any goods or services (taxes are passed down to the consumer by the company) etc.
Out this way in SE Los Angeles you have the bulk on public assistance and then in addition they file for multi-thousand dollar tax refunds though they don't earn any money. The IRS pays it and doesn't seem to bust these felons. Not right when so many PAY taxes.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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Out this way in SE Los Angeles you have the bulk on public assistance and then in addition they file for multi-thousand dollar tax refunds though they don't earn any money. The IRS pays it and doesn't seem to bust these felons. Not right when so many PAY taxes.
That seems like fraud, should be investigated and prosecuted.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Orange county, CA
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I have a problem with the fallacy that the poor pay no taxes at all. You mean to tell me that they don't buy clothes and toilet paper and baby wipes and books and flat screen TV's? That they don't own cars and pay to have those fixed? That they don't put gas in a car or ride mass transit? That they don't pay to get driver licenses? Buy stuff? The poor might not pay income tax, but I don't think they should be stripped of their rights because they are poor and need social services.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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That would be unconstitutional.

We should eliminate the "D" "R" and "I" and any other party identification from the voter box.

That way, people would have to vote on the issues, not a party.

We would have a much politically smarter population.

The dems would never win another national election.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Glitch, if you are subject to America's laws, you have "skin in the game" as far as citizenship goes. If you must obey elected officials and their law enforcement officials, then you have a right to vote on who those elected officials are. This is a very basic, very American principle. Not everything is about money.
Children must obey their parents, and they get no vote on the matter. Every foreigner that visits the US is subject to US law, and they have no say. Only those who actually contribute should have a voice.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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That seems like fraud, should be investigated and prosecuted.
I actually talked about this with a very prominent tax attorney here in CA and they think IRS knows and chooses NOT TO PROSECUTE or pursue this.

Lots of non-citizens do this as well.

If you have neighborhoods all on the dole and not making any non-gray area money, how do they get away with a 5-7 thousand dollar tax return?

Welcome to the socialist republic of California.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I have a problem with the fallacy that the poor pay no taxes at all. You mean to tell me that they don't buy clothes and toilet paper and baby wipes and books and flat screen TV's? That they don't own cars and pay to have those fixed? That they don't put gas in a car or ride mass transit? That they don't pay to get driver licenses? Buy stuff? The poor might not pay income tax, but I don't think they should be stripped of their rights because they are poor and need social services.
Not only do they not pay income tax, but every tax dollar they ever paid is returned, and then some, with the subsidies they get from government.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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Children must obey their parents, and they get no vote on the matter. Every foreigner that visits the US is subject to US law, and they have no say. Only those who actually contribute should have a voice.
You have the Democrats pushing wealth re-distribution Marxist style and in addition they spend money they don't have and raid the Social Security deposits.
Sounds like it is ALL about the money to me.

Blacks used to vote Republican through the 50s until the Democrats who hosed them out of schools started to bribe them with great society money. They took the money and now instead of 75% two parent homes they have 15% two parents homes. They had the unions require a minimum wage which left poor skilled poor people very unemployed.
Again, it is all about the money and as far as Democrats are concerned, it is about controlling the people. Everything through the government.
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