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Old 01-07-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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It's already in California schools.........What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA

The myth of Aztlan can best be explained by California's Santa Barbara School District's Chicano Studies textbook, "The Mexican American Heritage" by East Los Angeles high school teacher Carlos Jimenez. On page 84 there is a redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, showing Mexico with a full one-third more territory, all of it taken back from the United States. On page 107, it says "Latinos are now realizing that the power to control Aztlan may once again be in their hands."

Shown are the "repatriated" eight or nine states including Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington. According to the school text, Mexico is supposed to regain these territories as they rightly belong to the "mythical" homeland of Aztlan. On page 86, it says "...a free-trade agreement...promises...if Mexico is to allow the U.S. to invest in Mexico...then Mexico should...be allowed to freely export...Mexican labor. Obviously this would mean a re-evaluation of the border between the two countries as we know it today." Jimenez's Aztlan myth is further amplified at MEChA club meetings held at Santa Barbara Public Schools..

The book, paid for by American tax payers, cites no references or footnotes, leaving school children totally dependent on their teacher to separate fact from opinion and political propaganda. The book teaches separatism, victimization, nationalism, completely lacks patriotism towards the United States, and promotes an open border policy. The book is 100 percent editorial -- the opinions of the author.
I found this disturbing sounding book on Amazon. Do you happen to have a link showing that it is being used in California/Santa Barbra Schools? Is it your understanding that this book is being used in the k-12 public schools? TIA
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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Some of these Aztlan groups should be considered Treasonous Terrorist organizations.

I have a few in my family. Needless to say we avoid each other at family functions to keep the peace. Dirty rotten brown little mother****ers.
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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I found this disturbing sounding book on Amazon. Do you happen to have a link showing that it is being used in California/Santa Barbra Schools? Is it your understanding that this book is being used in the k-12 public schools? TIA
The link I provided in the other post tells about it. Their also teaching................
Darder described American capitalism and what she said were its impacts on racism and sexism. "I grew up in a capitalist society, a society that taught us that the greed of corporations control politics," Darder said. "Capitalism is the root of domination. Racism and sexism exist because capitalism requires it." Darder said a globalized economy forced smaller countries to give up their self-sufficiency, resulting in people migrating to the U.S. "We're here because U.S. foreign policy in Latin America has forced us here," she said.

The University of Oregon Chapter of MEChA hints at its communist sentiments by posting a picture of Cuba's communist dictator Fidel Castro. On its web site, "La Voz de Aztlan" has an excerpt from a speech of February 7, 1997, by Fidel Castro (http://www.aztlan.net/castroaztlan.htm - broken link) who said "the United States should return to Mexico huge chunks of that country's territories it acquired more than a century ago" La Voz de Aztlan, whom Antonio Villaraigosa refuses to repudiate, also disseminates antisemitic propaganda,
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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Technically, that quote comes from Mecha, the radical wing of the "La Raza" movement.

Intellectually dishonest people will contend that TECHNICALLY, "La Raza" (as an organization) does not support that view.

However, the fact that groups like Mecha use "La Raza" in such a motto shows that "La Raza" in TRUE Chicano context, is NOT an inclusive term, and is meant to signify a distinct and identifiable population of people, only.
Chicano is not a race and you have yet to provide a quote or a link from "La Raza" organization that supports your argument.

I looked at the links you provided and see no mentioning that "La Raza" means mestizo. According to their own words, La Raza represents "the people" They make no excuses for advocating for HIspanics, but Hispanic includes many different races.

I've met Hispanics who are White, Brown, Black, and Asian. So until you can provide a link, sorry your own words don't count, that shows that this organization supports a particular race, you have no proof.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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Chicano is not a race and you have yet to provide a quote or a link from "La Raza" organization that supports your argument.

I looked at the links you provided and see no mentioning that "La Raza" means mestizo. According to their own words, La Raza represents "the people" They make no excuses for advocating for HIspanics, but Hispanic includes many different races.

I've met Hispanics who are White, Brown, Black, and Asian. So until you can provide a link, sorry your own words don't count, that shows that this organization supports a particular race, you have no proof.

I would guess that this would mean that you belive that enforcing immigration laws is not racist as well since there are so many races of people here illegally.

But how do you feel about the information 3 Shepards provided? Do you think young children should be taught this propaganda as a replacement for US history at taxpayer expense?
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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I would guess that this would mean that you belive that enforcing immigration laws is not racist as well since there are so many races of people here illegally.
Enforcing immigration laws is not racist, never said it was, burn that strawman down.

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But how do you feel about the information 3 Shepards provided? Do you think young children should be taught this propaganda as a replacement for US history at taxpayer expense?
Strawman #2. I studied US History, African History, Asian History, and European History in high school. Then again I went to a college prep that offered advanced calculus. It doesn't have to be one or another, education is not a zero sum game.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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I clicked on the link and "La Raza" organization never makes such a claim that "La Raza" means Chicano's, mestizos, or people of Mexican descent. The bold part are your ideas and comments, not theirs.

Wanna try again? Show me a link to where "La Raza" supports a particular race. Just one link that's all I ask for, just one.

I'll be waiting....... and waiting... and waiting forever.
Ok, can you point me to where their Italian studies are or Irish or French ?
Oh..they ONLY have Mexican studies.

And you show where they support anything other than Mexican ?
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Ok, can you point me to where their Italian studies are or Irish or French ?
Oh..they ONLY have Mexican studies.

And you show where they support anything other than Mexican ?
Mexican is not a race, and they support Hispanics, which is not a race either.

According the La Raza's own website

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1. Who makes up the U.S. Hispanic population?
Hispanics are an ethnically and racially diverse population. In 2009, the Latino population on the U.S. mainland was composed of Mexican Americans (65%), Puerto Ricans (9%), Cubans (3.5%), Salvadorans (3.2%), and Dominicans (2.7%). The remainder is composed of Central Americans, South Americans, or people of other Hispanic or Latino origins (15.4%).
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For example, in 2006, as part of NCLR’s homeownership program, NCLR Affiliates served about 29,000 clients. Almost 20% were White and approximately 12% were Black.
http://www.nclr.org/index.php/about_...ving_programs/
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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Chicano is not a race and you have yet to provide a quote or a link from "La Raza" organization that supports your argument.

I looked at the links you provided and see no mentioning that "La Raza" means mestizo. According to their own words, La Raza represents "the people" They make no excuses for advocating for HIspanics, but Hispanic includes many different races.

I've met Hispanics who are White, Brown, Black, and Asian. So until you can provide a link, sorry your own words don't count, that shows that this organization supports a particular race, you have no proof.
Boy you are really trying hard not to see the truth.

Mestizos are mixed race Hispanics. La Raza specifically states that is who they represent.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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Boy you are really trying hard not to see the truth.

Mestizos are mixed race Hispanics. La Raza specifically states that is who they represent.
Show me a link where they say that.
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