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Old 02-09-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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Get rid of the unions and you'll. Get. Rid of the education problem in this country!
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I am NO fan of teachers' unions, but I don't see this as a win for them or a loss for the kids. NCLB, while noble in purpose, ended up being nothing more than a federal powergrab. States and local school districts should be the ones pioneering better student outcomes, not the feds. We still need to collectively attempt to hold teachers accountable for their students' outcomes, but NCLB isn't the answer.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Until we have leaders in this country that have courage and conviction like Gov Walker in Wisconsin that are willing to take on and pull the fangs out of the teacher unions, this country will continue to fall further behind the rest of the world.
I'm willing to bet the reason we fell behind was because of NCLB.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:12 PM
 
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Why? Because the teacher unions don't like it? They don't like anything that forces them to actually teach!
Fail, another right wing goon pulled the union card a long time ago in this thread Good to see they all have the same programmed talking points
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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But instead of teachers having to focus on just the test, it allows them to focus on the students that are achieving their goals properly, and allows them to move on while they dig deeper on the under achievers.

My son is exceptionally bright. High IQ, I'm proud of him. In second grade, he is reading on a fifth grade level. But the local school, because of meth heads and parents that don't give a damn, keeps getting a B rating from NCLB. So they ignore him, and focus on the kids that aren't passing the test.

If I were less of a parent, and not as involved with my childs education, he would fall to the lowest standard like other students in his class.

This removes an over regulated system that tied teachers hands to let good students fly.
You said something very sane and useful, but so many parents don't do as you do. Your involved in your son's education, which is a good thing, and one in which all paretns should hede, but for some odd reason they don't.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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This is 400 million dollars from the teacher's union to Obama in 2008 to end responsibility in teaching.
Why not institute mandatory laws forcing children to study and their parents to actually care about their children's education?
Such a law would all be cripple the right wing areas of this country as they think "all da ed-u-macation you dun need to know is how ta shoot diz rifle, carry diz bible, and vote republican, yeee ha!"
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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Ted the Head wrote up the plan for NCLB. Spread the blame around, I think we should all agree it was an idiot idea aimed at educating those that don't care about being educated.
Many are to blame here.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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Y'All need to read Post #61, brought to you by HappyTexan. Says it all. One notorious, waste of taxpayer's money program being replaced with another, undoubtedly worse idiotic program. Nothing much will change. It never does.

If they get a waiver then they have to implement part of Race to the Top.

Among the details:
-Give up state based curriculum for the National curriculum defined by RTT
-Teacher evaluations will be based on student test scores

Here..read more and there's a link to the Government document.
NCLB waivers: The devil is in the details - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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Until we have leaders in this country that have courage and conviction like Gov Walker in Wisconsin that are willing to take on and pull the fangs out of the teacher unions, this country will continue to fall further behind the rest of the world.
Well until we have posters who can read for comprehension and then turn around and respond to a post in a cogent and non-strawman manner...

What the frack does your comment have to do with what I wrote?????

Do you want less government involvement in education or less? Which is it going to be??
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You said something very sane and useful, but so many parents don't do as you do. Your involved in your son's education, which is a good thing, and one in which all paretns should hede, but for some odd reason they don't.
Most people are tired. I try not to expect others to live up to the standards I set for myself.

When you've worked a 12 hour day, its hard to make time for someone else, even your kids I suppose.
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