Oh look now PA wants to pass a transvaginal sonogram (election, elect)

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

And for the last time it is more accurate than an abdominal sonogram. If you think that isn't required before an abortion then you don't know much about the medical steps that are taken before an abortion.

Here's a midwife disagreeing with you:

Ultrasound before abortion not medically necessary - The Clinical Advisor

Here's the Guttmacher institute disagreeing with you:

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecente...s/spib_RFU.pdf

But what do they know?

[~HecateWhisperCat~]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

Here's a midwife disagreeing with you:

Ultrasound before abortion not medically necessary - The Clinical Advisor

Here's the Guttmacher institute disagreeing with you:

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecente...s/spib_RFU.pdf

But what do they know?

Don't you know they are showing their liberal bias ?

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

No different than the instrument they insert for a pap test. Why would it be against their will when there is a medical reason for this procedure? It is much more accurate than an abdominal sonogram during pregnancy.

Would you think it's okay for non-medically qualified politicians making it a law that all women must undergo mandatory pap smears every 12mths(including the use of a speculum) even if they don't want one and it's not medically necessary?

[Atheist Liberal]

First the anti-gay marriage amendment that was struck down.
Than the voter ID law.
Now a ultrasound mandate.

Republicans are ruining my state.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by Lucidkitty

Don't you know they are showing their liberal bias ?

Yeah, medical professionals. Who needs them, when we can have state legislatures dictate what procedures should and shouldn't be done?

[MTAtech]

For a law to be constitutional, it must meet the compelling public interest test. What compelling public interest is there to mandate a test that is not medically necessary?

The reason for this mandate is to discourage abortions -- a legal procedure.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

Would you think it's okay for non-medically qualified politicians making it a law that all women must undergo mandatory pap smears every 12mths(including the use of a speculum) even if they don't want one and it's not medically necessary?

That would be logical. But I've noticed that chicagonut avoids questions she'd rather not answer...

[Interlude]

The same people who support these laws will also argue (rightly, in my opinion) that restricting ammunition sales and gun registries and the like have nothing to do with gun safety and are really a backdoor way of banning guns. Amazing how they can't see how this is the same thing.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

Would you think it's okay for non-medically qualified politicians making it a law that all women must undergo mandatory pap smears every 12mths(including the use of a speculum) even if they don't want one and it's not medically necessary?

Your comparing apples to oranges here. Even a doctor will tell you that an annual pap test is a preventive measure to more serious health problems in the future. Your grasping at straws now.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by burdell

Or maybe the lunatics are those who tell us a fertilized egg is a child?

It is.