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Gary Stein enlisted 9 years ago and he waits until now to decide he shouldn't follow orders, where did he think we were going when he enlisted.
He held his breath for 2 terms with GW and now he comes out of the closet, not long after we started closing down Iraq by the way. Why didn't he protest the first invasion of Iraq, wouldn't that have made more sense since they did nothing to us.
Looks like he has a great future in politics, he will be in similar company.
That oath has more than one order within it. Have you read it, lately? [/COR] [COLOR22d]
[b]They also swore to defend our Constitution against ALL enemies of it, both foreign and domestic.
[COL=#a05d]They are in quite a conundrum, aren't they?! They swore to obey the president and now have a president that is subverting the Constitution that they swore to defend. (His "fundamental transformation" is the subversion because our Constition *is* our Fundamentals) [/color]
[b][COLOa02d][/COOR][b] Our military is, for the first time in our lifetimes and .
The part of the oath you left out???? About following orders???
That oath has more than one order within it. Have you read it, lately?
The oath has no orders. It is an oath. Not an instruction manual.
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They also swore to defend our Constitution against ALL enemies of it, both foreign and domestic.
And under that constitution they take their orders from the Commander in Chief.
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They are in quite a conundrum, aren't they?!
No. They are not. The only conundrum they would experience is if they received an unlawful order.
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They swore to obey the president and now have a president that is subverting the Constitution that they swore to defend. (His "fundamental transformation" is the subversion because our Constition *is* our Fundamentals)
They swore to support and defend the Constitution, not to arbitrate it. That's a job above their pay grade.
The oath has no orders. It is an oath. Not an instruction manual.
And under that constitution they take their orders from the Commander in Chief.
No. They are not. The only conundrum they would experience is if they received an unlawful order.
They swore to support and defend the Constitution, not to arbitrate it. That's a job above their pay grade.
No, you have a lack of reality on this subject, a very serious one.
Obama uses Orwellian doublespeak. His "fundamental transformation" of an entire nation is referring to something huge. Our fundamentals are one and only one thing, but this "thing" is gigantic because it is our Republic's foundation and very "soul."
It is the Constitution that he is transforming, yet we aren't in a Con Con.
BO is forcing our hand to defend this Constitution.
I get it, millions of others get it, but you do not, not yet, anyway.
No, you have a lack of reality on this subject, a very serious one.
I have to ask... have you ever taken either the oath of enlistment or commissioning? Because you seem to have exactly no idea what you are talking about.
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It is the Constitution that he is transforming, yet we aren't in a Con Con.
Not a single Constitutional Amendment has been initiated during his term. You appear to be misinformed.
The Marines should be rendered ex-Marine just as quickly as the wheels of military justice can turn.
Though i think the unlawful orders being given and followed are worth losing many things for, the least of a job.
You do know that the President does not give the troops direct orders? The marine's commanding officers give him/her orders and if those orders are not obeyed, that marine will be court marshaled.
The federal courts have all kicked out every suit filed claiming that Obama is not a Natural Born citizen. The proof is that he is. It is up to Congress to challenge Obama's authenticity and you have noticed that the Republican Congress has not held any hearings on the matter.
Already one Army officer was dumb enough to follow the advice of the Birther Queen and refuse to follow orders, he was drummed out and his career ruined. He admits now that he was an idiot.
So go for it marine, spend some time in the brig and get a dishonorable discharge that will haunt you for the rest of your life.
No, you have a lack of reality on this subject, a very serious one.
Obama uses Orwellian doublespeak. His "fundamental transformation" of an entire nation is referring to something huge. Our fundamentals are one and only one thing, but this "thing" is gigantic because it is our Republic's foundation and very "soul."
It is the Constitution that he is transforming, yet we aren't in a Con Con.
BO is forcing our hand to defend this Constitution.
I get it, millions of others get it, but you do not, not yet, anyway.
You do know that the President does not give the troops direct orders? The marine's commanding officers give him/her orders and if those orders are not obeyed, that marine will be court marshaled.
The federal courts have all kicked out every suit filed claiming that Obama is not a Natural Born citizen. The proof is that he is. It is up to Congress to challenge Obama's authenticity and you have noticed that the Republican Congress has not held any hearings on the matter.
Already one Army officer was dumb enough to follow the advice of the Birther Queen and refuse to follow orders, he was drummed out and his career ruined. He admits now that he was an idiot.
So go for it marine, spend some time in the brig and get a dishonorable discharge that will haunt you for the rest of your life.
Yep.
In January 2009, before a joint session of Congress -- President of the Senate Dick Cheney presiding -- the Electoral College votes from the 2008 election were tallied. It is at this point that any member of Congress can challenge the validity of votes. In 2009, not a single member did so. 535 members of Congress certified all the votes cast for all four candidates for President and Vice President as valid.
But some idiot E-5 thinks the validity of those votes are his call to make ...
Wow still with the same old tired rhetoric of the foreign and domestic enemy nonsense? This just goes to show you how weak and shallow your argument really is.
I lived that Oath for 4 years of my life - I know what it means to serve under it. Apparently you and others that share your mindset do not.
I stand by my statement that anyone who defies the POTUS - no matter who it is - and goes against the Oath they took needs to be brought up on charges of treason, discharged dishonorably from their service and be disqualified from any benefits they might have earned.
It's sad that I don't consider myself a patriot yet I'm more patriotic than the majority of you on here. Shame on you who claim to be 'American' yet go against the very ideals of such. Hypocritical Oath must work wonders for you.
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