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Old 03-29-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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That is very telling on how we got away from the freest nation in the world, to be just like the rest.
Yup the Liberal destuction of American Exceptionalism into American Mediocrity.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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Justice Ginsberg is right. We are all paying for healthcare (both directly and indirectly) anyway; and we’re all paying more for it every time some uninsured person goes to the emergency room. So why not get what we are all paying for? And, more to the point, why not get our money’s worth?
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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Wow? That's basic economics.

People who can't afford to go to the doctor will often go to the emergency room, the second most expensive area of the hospital in terms of direct costs. Instead of clinics or doctors offices, which are fairly cheap. If those people can't pay the money still needs to come from somewhere, by increasing prices to other patients. Those patients pay higher co-pays and premiums because of it.

A 10 year old should be able to reason through this without difficulty.

I thought you were against choices that made other people bear the cost?

Case in point. Last month I ran out of my abuterol and ended up having a mild asthma attack. I drove myself to the emergency room to get a treatment. I spent more time in the waiting room than in the back. The bill total.....$4355.

Let me repeat that $4355. Now imagine if I did not have medical coverage? Directing folks to the ERs and charity care is not the answer.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Justice Ginsberg is right. We are all paying for healthcare (both directly and indirectly) anyway; and we’re all paying more for it every time some uninsured person goes to the emergency room. So why not get what we are all paying for? And, more to the point, why not get our money’s worth?
That's a different point from the government's ability to force people to purchase something.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No. It is what it is.

I think your confusing, free will and free stuff.
Yes it is what it is... you choose to live in a society instead of a remote island by self.

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That's a different point from the government's ability to force people to purchase something.
But, sometimes that is perfectly fine.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Yup the Liberal destuction of American Exceptionalism into American Mediocrity.

so you like paying for folks that go to the ER, apply for Charity care to get their medical needs paid for?
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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so you like paying for folks that go to the ER, apply for Charity care to get their medical needs paid for?
Its heaven when they don't see it: Ostrich Syndrome at work.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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Case in point. Last month I ran out of my abuterol and ended up having a mild asthma attack. I drove myself to the emergency room to get a treatment. I spent more time in the waiting room than in the back. The bill total.....$4355.

Let me repeat that $4355. Now imagine if I did not have medical coverage? Directing folks to the ERs and charity care is not the answer.

The case in point was your lack of judgement in ensuring you didnt run out of your meds. So your lack of judgement created that condition. BTW tell us what your final negotiated bill that your insurance carrier paid. I doubt very seriously it was 4000+ I have to take a little pill everyday of my life, I always make sure I have a three month supply. As a matter of fact I negotiated to purchase a one year supply 15 years ago and just rotate the stock now just incase of some catastrophic event occurs.

Next time get to an out patient urgent care. The cost would have been a couple hundred.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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so you like paying for folks that go to the ER, apply for Charity care to get their medical needs paid for?
I pay for folks to get welfare, social security, food stamps, medicare, solar companies to go bankrupt and all sorts of other government freebies.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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Case in point. Last month I ran out of my abuterol and ended up having a mild asthma attack. I drove myself to the emergency room to get a treatment. I spent more time in the waiting room than in the back. The bill total.....$4355.

Let me repeat that $4355. Now imagine if I did not have medical coverage? Directing folks to the ERs and charity care is not the answer.
To begin with, I bet you wouldn't have allowed yourself to run out of your medication if you were actually responsible for paying for the consequence.
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