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Old 04-11-2012, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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wrong. that was to those born OUTSIDE the United States. She would have been too young if she gave birth in say mexico.

But the law was changed in 1976 so that anyone born to a us Citizen outside the US, who at least had 1 year of residency, would have natural born citizen children.

You can't even keep your lies straight.
He was refering that if Obama was born outside the US that he would be a natural born citizen because his mother wasa citizen.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:11 AM
 
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No. You said she could have given birth to him outside the country and he would have been qualified for president like McCain.
there was nothing false in that statement. Even thouogh at the TIME of Obama's birth, Stanley if GIVEN birth outside the US, the citizenship of OBama would have been in "limbo" (there was no law at the time that allowed for naturalization of children to US citizen parents born outside the US)

It was proverbial "black hole" as far as the citizenship law was concerned.

In 1976, they corrected this and the law was RETROACTIVE to anyone born to a US citizen parent who at least had one year of residncy in the US.


McCain was declared a Natural born because of the change in law.


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That is not true and Arus confirms it. She was to young to confer natural born citizen status to him due to the laws on the books at that time.
Again, you are lying by omission. THAT ONLY applied to those born to US Citizen Parent(s) outside the US.

Obama was born IN THE US, so that law didn't apply to him.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:12 AM
 
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Yes he is a citizen but not a natural born citizen for Article 2 Section 1 purposes.
Not according to 200 years of legal case history.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:13 AM
 
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He was refering that if Obama was born outside the US that he would be a natural born citizen because his mother wasa citizen.
Yes, since the law was changed in 1976, it became retroactive. The qualification are now 1 year instead of living 5 years past the mother's 14th birthday.

But again, this is a moot point, since Obama was born in the US.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Well all you did is make the claim that Mitt Romney wants to create a plutocracy - you provided no evidence to support it - so I have to say that I am unconvinced.

As for Paul - if he was affiliated with the KKK - he isn't anymore.

He is a libertarian who believes in free associations - thus any support for businesses being allowed to choose who their customers will be isn't based on racial grounds - but on liberty.

How does disbanding FEMA and ending aid to foriegn countries equate to white supremacy?

Our union is composed of soveriegn states binded together under the federal government for the purposes of providing a few neccesary functions which are stated specifically in the Constitution. Recognizing this does not make one a white supremacist and that is truly a head scratching jump.

I am neither a Romney nor a Paul supporter - but I am not going to sit here and let you make ridiculous claims about my party that cannot be supported. Go back to the drawing board and come up with better arguments if you still think you are right. And definitely give me something about Romney and his "dreams of plutocracy" - that should be interesting...!
You got it! Check this one out.

Mitt Romney Confronted by Angry Crowd 'Corporations Are People' www.RightFace.us - YouTube
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Austin
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No. You said she could have given birth to him outside the country and he would have been qualified for president like McCain. That is not true and Arus confirms it. She was to young to confer natural born citizen status to him due to the laws on the books at that time.
Since she DID NOT give birth to him outside the country, it makes no difference. That's inconsequential, and she was 18 years old and a legal adult. She was old enough to confer as was his father who was 25. It wasn't me who said what you credited me for. It was Arus, but thanks for paying attention....not. I was agreeing with what Arus said.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Yes he is a citizen but not a natural born citizen for Article 2 Section 1 purposes.

No, YOU are wrong. It's been proven repeatedly, and for some reason you're incapable of admitting it. Name one case in which the birthers have won. In what state will President Obama be omitted from the ballot?
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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What does this prove? Certainly doesn't demonstrate that he wants a plutocracy. He said that corporations are comprised of people. He is correct.

Try again.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Austin
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What does this prove? Certainly doesn't demonstrate that he wants a plutocracy. He said that corporations are comprised of people. He is correct.

Try again.
Yes, but he also is more concerned about them and the wealthy than he is about the working class. No surprised there. He wants to deregulate them and continue letting Wall Street play by their own rules. That's why the OWS needs to pick up some speed and get things moving.
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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What does this prove? Certainly doesn't demonstrate that he wants a plutocracy. He said that corporations are comprised of people. He is correct.

Try again.

Oh, don't act as though you're obtuse; the protestors were clearly complaining about the recent SCOTUS decision that corporations are the same as people when it comes to campaign contributions. That's a ludicrous concept, but this court may be the most ideological and incompetent that America has had. If you're working, I hope your boss or CEO donates heavily to Obama.
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