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There isn't a single, credible, document expert who would pronounce something "fake" based on a PDF of a digital photo. None.
Actual, credible, document experts would only rule based on hands-on, in person analysis of the actual document.
The State of Hawaii has certified their actual BC records. THAT is all the proof every State and every Court in the land relies on an no amount of tin foil hattery by the northers will change that.
The man in the white house was born in Hawaii and he is your duly elected President until his term is over.
People lie for many reasons, the State of Hawaii is known for it's corruption, not quite equivalent to Chicago, but it's up there.
Sometime in the last 30 days that policy changed – without fanfare – amid increasing scrutiny by WND of the “certification of live birth.” Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’
And if you can bring yourself to stop chasing red herring and comprehend the only genuine issue here, you will see that it does not matter what you claimed.
Obama was born in Hawaii and is therefore a natural born citizen.
Being born in this country grants one citizenship, natural born citizenship is something special, reserved for those born on US soil to TWO citizen parents. This was reaffirmed when they passed the resolution, signed by Obama, for McCain, which clearly states TWO citizen parents.
Harry Truman once said, "If you can't convince them, confuse them"
that's HD's motto.
In the essay titled What is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States?, I have put forward an interpretation and definition of the phrase natural born Citizen as it is used in the United States Constitution. To that end, I have used the original manuscript of a letter from John Jay to George Washington, along with a draft for that letter, and two essays written by Jay, to deduce both intent and meaning.
I have put forward the following intent of the United States constitutional requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born Citizen of the United States:
Intent. The intent of the United States constitutional requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born Citizen of the United States is: (1) to reduce the likelihood that a President of the United States would have a former, or present, attachment to a foreign country (because such an attachment could influence one to make decisions that would not promote the interests of the United States); and (2) to increase the likelihood that the interests of any President of the United States will coincide with those of the United States.
Is this not common sense? No divided loyalties.
Last edited by CaseyB; 04-12-2012 at 03:45 AM..
Reason: discuss the topic, not other posters
Sometime in the last 30 days that policy changed – without fanfare – amid increasing scrutiny by WND of the “certification of live birth.” Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’
A complete falsehood from HD, but he does this all the time.
Being born in this country grants one citizenship, natural born citizenship is something special, reserved for those born on US soil to TWO citizen parents.
nope.
"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."
-ankeny v daniels
"Therefore every person born within the United States its territories or districts whether the parents are citizens or aliens is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”
–William Rawle – A View of the Constitution (1829)
Quote:
This was reaffirmed when they passed the resolution, signed by Obama, for McCain, which clearly states TWO citizen parents.
wrong again.
the tribe/olson memo, the only thing from the senate resolution that mentions mccain's parents, does not exclusively define NBC as needing 2 US parents. here's what it states:
"...the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance."
US Consitutiton, Art II, Sec. 1, Cl 5
Minor v Happersett, 1874
and Perkins v Elg, 1939
and the McCain resolution
1. A "natural born" citizen is any person born of US citizen parents (that's two) in the U. S. mainland (includes Alaska and Hawaii) -- think Ronald Reagan -- in this case, there is no foreign entanglement via parentage AND there is no foreign entanglement via birthplace.
2. A citizen "by statute" is any person born of US citizen parent(s) outside the United States -- think John McCain -- in this case, there is no foreign entanglement via parentage BUT there is a foreign entanglement via birthplace (Colon, Panama).
3. A "native born" citizen, is any person born in the United States mainland -- think Barack Obama -- in this case, there is no foreign entanglement via birthplace (if he was born in Hawaii) BUT there is a foreign entanglement via his parentage (if Barak Obama is his father).
4. If you're not born here, or if your parents aren't Americans, then the only way you get citizenship is via marriage or naturalization -- a "naturalized" citizen is a citizen as the result of these processes -- think Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Even when given ample evidence the "flat earthers" (for want of a better term) refuse to consider evidence that the birth certificate that was presented by Obama is a forgery.
This doesn't prove he was not born in Hawaii; it only gives further evidence the birth certificate presented was a forgery.
ETA: "flat earthers"????? Hmmmmm......I think the term "flat birthers" would be a good term to apply to those on the other side of the divide from the "birthers".
Wake me up when birthers get your so-called "ample evidence."
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