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Wake UP AMERICA ! we haven't gotten the "TRUTH " from "OUR Government" for years now ! How can they tell the "TRUTH" when they themselfs don't know what the TRUTH really means from both parties!
This is what I have long suspected but have been long hesitant to argue:
Index Data
Haw. Rev. Stat. §338-18(d) states, “Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.†Refer to link above for HRS §338-18.
Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, and type of event is made available to the public. The director, in accordance with HRS §338-18(d), has not authorized any other data to be made available to the public.
Index data referred to in HRS §338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu. The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.
Since Hawaii does not use the "long form" birth certificate but rather bound additions (very common way to keep old records) they created one believing that it would be sufficient. The evidence for my suspicion was the light fall off along the left edge of the document which would indicated the upward curvature of a page when placed on a scanner. They then took a blank page of document paper and combined the scanned birth information along with an official stamp and date to create a single document.
Nonsense ... repeating a lie does not make it true ... and by now, the "Hawaii Doesn't Use Long Form BC" has been proven false with examples of other long form birth certificates which have been used to compare against your "official Hawaii forgery".
And it was a lie for the two years that the Obamanation Administration made those false claims, only to then turn around and produce that long form that they previously claimed didn't exist? And you see not a hint of "funny business" going on here? What's wrong with your brain?
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
This is something that I implied during the Grand Inquisitor's Posse press conference threads. Yes, the document is a "forgery" but one forged by the state of Hawaii, simply because they don't normally issue forms that would have satisfied the demands of the birthers.
The "short form" originally presented is worthless .... no signature of an official nature which certifies authenticity, or any of the particular data that would verify the actual live birth actually happened in Hawaii.
Again, Hawaii used long forms that included the same specific data that other states commonly used ... and examples of that have been shown and compared to Obama's forgery, proving that the claim that no long form was used by Hawaii was a lie right from the beginning .... even though you still want to parrot that nonsense still!
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
That being said, let there be no mistake about this, if the state of Hawaii chose to use toilet paper and magic markers and certified the damn thing, it is the OFFICIAL DAMN THING and must be given full faith and credit.
What an absurdly ridiculous thing to say. So, it is your contention that "officials" can create a forgery anytime they care to, and because an "official" created that fraudulent document, that makes it legitimate? In other words, "official lies" in your mind, should be accepted as the truth?
But here's the deal .... let's just pretend that it's 1984, and accept this Orwellian idea that official lies are just as good as the truth, and your postulation that the long form BC presented by President Soetero is an "official forgery" forged by Hawaiian officials, therefore should be accepted as legit.
Fine ... but why then are Hawaiian officials tap dancing and hemming and hawing about simply issuing official confirmation to the State of Arizona that this long form birth certificate actually does exist in the Hawaiian official records?
I mean, if the situation is as you suggest ... the damned form has already been made public ... so there should be no issue of secrecy or privacy at this point ... all they would have to do is "officially confirm" to the State of Arizona that the form presented by the White House is real and legitimate and came from the Hawaiian government. Simple.
Unfortunately, your "theory" is all wet, given that the "Official Hawaiian Document Forgers" don't want to authenticate their own forgery ... most likely because of one of two reasons ... either they didn't "create" that document and know someone else must have forged it ... or they realize what you apparently don't understand ... that forgery is fraud no matter who does it, and it's a criminal offense ... particularly if official government documents are involved.
So how can you expect to be taken seriously after presenting all of this nonsense you just threw out there? You "cult of personality" Obamabots really have COMPLETELY lost touch with reality.
Nonsense ... repeating a lie does not make it true ... and by now, the "Hawaii Doesn't Use Long Form BC" has been proven false with examples of other long form birth certificates which have been used to compare against your "official Hawaii forgery".
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. Kinda like when you're in 9/11 Truther mode displaying your total ignorance regarding thermite or controlled demolitions.
Hawaii does not use the long form. They haven't since 2001..
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
And it was a lie for the two years that the Obamanation Administration made those false claims, only to then turn around and produce that long form that they previously claimed didn't exist? And you see not a hint of "funny business" going on here? What's wrong with your brain?
More blubbering falsehood. The Obama administration never once claimed the long form didn't exist. Neither did the anti-Birthers. The claim was made that Hawaii no-longer issued long forms, and that the short form Obama released within three days of first being asked was absolute legal proof of his Hawaiin birth.
And we were right. Still are.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
The "short form" originally presented is worthless .... no signature of an official nature which certifies authenticity, or any of the particular data that would verify the actual live birth actually happened in Hawaii.
The short form is, under US law to include the Constitution, absolute legal proof of Obama's Hawaiian birth.
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Fine ... but why then are Hawaiian officials tap dancing and hemming and hawing about simply issuing official confirmation to the State of Arizona that this long form birth certificate actually does exist in the Hawaiian official records?
Because they have to follow the law.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
I mean, if the situation is as you suggest ... the damned form has already been made public ... so there should be no issue of secrecy or privacy at this point ... all they would have to do is "officially confirm" to the State of Arizona that the form presented by the White House is real and legitimate and came from the Hawaiian government. Simple.
Secrecy has nothing to do with. Following the law on the other hand... well that's more relevant.
Wake UP AMERICA ! we haven't gotten the "TRUTH " from "OUR Government" for years now ! How can they tell the "TRUTH" when they themselfs don't know what the TRUTH really means from both parties!
Now this is one bandwagon I can get on!!!
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