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Old 05-24-2012, 04:55 PM
 
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Birthers, for crying out loud! Karl Rove would have found a fake birth certificate. Hillary would have. You people act like Obama just jumped up the day before the election. There were months and months and months before the election when everything and anything was tabloid headlines. The RNC had tons and tons of time to find all this stuff out. Whether you like him or not, whether you voted for him or not, seriously! Get over it. President Obama was born in Hawaii.

No, Karl Rove would not have. Nor the Hill. Remember, for a long time, there was NO birth certificate.

For crying out loud, get it! This BO was making history as the first black president, and rightly so that we finally elected one. We just elected the wrong "man for the job."

THEREFORE, even the Hill and Rove had to avoid the Humongous backlash of offending an entire race that were close to finally getting a ton of potential healing per our nation's sick history per the race issue.

Lastly...repeat after me....there was no B. Certificate for a very long time, to "be found."
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, Karl Rove would not have. Nor the Hill. Remember, for a long time, there was NO birth certificate.
There was never "no birth certificate,"
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Whatever you're smoking, it must be good. To even imply that there is something off limits for Karl Rove is the height of hilarity. He's the one who claimed McCain had a black baby back in 2000 and sunk McCain. AND - that was one of his own republicans! To think that he would hold back on a black Democrat, hahahahaha, totally and completely ludicrous.

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Old 05-24-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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No dumber an assertion is actually possible than the one you just made there. By definition, the information on their records is "correct."

What you highly fail to realize is that The Department of Health does not address the question of whether this birth certificate on file is the ORIGINAL birth certificate that was issued at the time of birth.
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:58 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Looks like Hawaii didn't verify when Obama was allegedly born. Most troubling. Here is the pdf below of what Hawaii sent Bennett. The date of Obama's birth is not there. It is a very clever artfully worded response after Bennett was asked to change his requests as indicated by this sentence below in a article I found:

'The reported verification from Hawaii came only after Bennett, a Republican who has aspirations to run for governor, closely tailored his request to conform to the [demands] of Hawaii’s attorney general.'

Hawaii Response
http://www.kvoa.com/files/Verification%20In%20Lieu%20of%20Certified%20Copy.P DF

But Bennett didn't get confirmation that the Certificate of Live Birth attached was "the real deal", only that the information contained therein matched. Nowhere does that state that the record in question is LEGALLY VALID. What I can see that differs between Bennett’s request (below) and what he received is that this request was not fulfilled by the final response:

“Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.â€

What Bennett got was just that the INFORMATION on what Obama posted on April 27, 2011 is the same as what they have. They wouldn’t say that it is a 'true and accurate representation in their original record' as Bennett requested above.

They can’t legally say that if the birth certificate is REALLY half written and half typed as former Director Of Hawaiian Health Fukino was quoted saying in a MSNBC interview to Michael Isikoff two weeks before Obama released the forgery on April 27, 2011. It looks as though state registrar Alvin Onaka was unable to verify Obama's COLB was a 'true and accurate representation' due to the fact that it was a forgery as discovered by the Maricopa County Sheriff Department. Once again, Hawaii just states Obama was born.
Give it up. Someone already posted the actual document earlier this week, and the birthdate was there.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Give it up. Someone already posted the actual document earlier this week, and the birthdate was there.
Show me where the birth date is on the document that Hawaii sent to Bennett. Thanks for your cooperation.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What you highly fail to realize is that The Department of Health does not address the question of whether this birth certificate on file is the ORIGINAL birth certificate that was issued at the time of birth.
Sure they do.

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Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files.
Emphasis added.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Give it up. Someone already posted the actual document earlier this week, and the birthdate was there.
No, sorry Ruth. It's not.

Bennett forgot to ask for it. Here was his request:

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March 30, 2012

Hawaii Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Vital Records Issuance Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801

Ladies and gentlemen:

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641
Time of birth: 7:24 p.m.
Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Age of father: 25
Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
Age of mother: 18
Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas
Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961
Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961
Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Sincerely,
Ken Bennett
Arizona Secretary of State
See? He never asked for date of birth.


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Old 05-24-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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See? He never asked for date of birth.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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No, Karl Rove would not have. Nor the Hill. Remember, for a long time, there was NO birth certificate.

For crying out loud, get it! This BO was making history as the first black president, and rightly so that we finally elected one. We just elected the wrong "man for the job."

THEREFORE, even the Hill and Rove had to avoid the Humongous backlash of offending an entire race that were close to finally getting a ton of potential healing per our nation's sick history per the race issue.

Lastly...repeat after me....there was no B. Certificate for a very long time, to "be found."
Repeat after you? Uh, no thanks. I'm actually sane. There's always been a birth certificate, there's just always been folks who aren't going to believe it. Yep, they know better, but their hatred isn't going anywhere any time soon, so they persist. Certified copy? Not good enough. Birth announcements in the paper? Nope, placed there because ......... uh, evidently Obama's family knew, decades in advance, that he would be running for president. Long form birth certificate? Nah, a forgery. Nothing, but nothing, will make birthers happy.

As for Mr. Rove, Karl Rove has no boundaries, if there was something unscrupulous to be found, he would have clearly found it. Karl could care less about offending anyone, short of the rich, old republican masters he serves.

Frankly, I'm just waiting for all these birthers to demand that Bennett find Romney's birth certificate to make sure he can put Mittens on the Arizona ballot. I'm not going to hold my breath tho ---- Romney's not black.
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