African Americans: How do you feel when Conservatives use terms like "Plantation" "Slave" "Brainwashed" etc.? (party affiliation, regular)
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I believe that some blacks were tricked by liberal policies that over time have proven to be the noose that's hanging them. They vote for "stuff", many think voting for Obama is going to keep the "stuff" rolling in.
Where's all the "stuff"? Who's working to get that "stuff"? Who pays for that "stuff"?
I'll tell you who... people who pay taxes.
Yes, I gather that you have a very low opinion of black people. You think they are supporting policies to get free stuff with noose hanging them good slavery tie in.
Yes, again anyone wondering why black people shy away from the Republican party only need to read you as you represent most of what Republicans have to say concerning black people.
Roy...easiest explantation is this: THAT Republican party ain't THIS Republican party.
And if you're being honest with yourself, you know i'm right.
Neither of the parties is anywhere close to what they were back then. For instance, I really do believe that progressives have taken over the Democrat Party and are pushing the progressive system which becomes socialism in the end. Am I wrong?
I didn't call anyone backwards. Hypocritical yes, racist yes. I think huge percentages of Republican voters are motivated by dislike/hatred of other Americans to vote the way they do.
I think they see the Republican party as a way to punish and hurt those people they don't like and who they perceive to be ruining America.
Republicans use words like "real Americans" and often describe themselves as patriotic Americans. There is no doubt that they also mean that other Americans aren't real and patriotic.
Generally, people don't describe others in a negative light and then say, "And I'm one of 'em!", so naturally the implication is that the person doing the describing is totally unlike the people he is deriding.
You didn't use the word backward, but I certainly would to describe the people you're claiming exist, because anyone that would base their vote on how they can hurt someone else is hopelessly ignorant and hateful. I have met very few people in my life that would be so petty and I doubt any of them would even bother voting.
You're doing what many people do: creating an idea about those you oppose that justifies your opposition to them. It makes them less like you and thus easier to dismiss.
1. OK. Let's say that everything you said here is true. Explain the Southern Strategy employed by the Rep party then. That was racially motivated in order to appeal to disenfranchised white Southerners at the expense of black Southerners.
2. I assume that you are white and conservative. Once again, you hurt your party by saying things like the last sentence. You keep saying the word "unmotivated" and "ignorant", and then expect blacks to open their eyes and vote for your party? Seems like you could use a few lessons in MARKETING.
3. What have the Rep party done to improve the lives of blacks? At least the Dems make it seem like they are helping us, whether you think so or not.
I don't work for the Republican party, I'm not responsible to bring anyone to the Republican party. I'm not interested in doing any unpaid "marketing" for the republican party.
People should use their brain for something more than using "talking points" that have been rehashed thousands of times on this forum, e.g.; "Southern Strategy employed by the Rep party then". Which in your eyes must be the beginning of it all. The tipping point when racist dems left for the republican party. So why don't you just say we got all your sloppy seconds? That's not the Republican party today. Those blue dog dems are dead for the most part, and whatever racist Repubs who were the converts from the dem party are dead and dying as well.
So why not take a long hard look at what the democratic party has done for black people in the last 20 years. Look at Detroit for instance.
What I like about the Republican party is the lack of "race pandering". So don't ask me what republicans have done for 'black' people, ask me what republicans have done for American people.
I'll be honest with you. As a black person, I don't think that the conservative sides hates black people. Otherwise, Herman Cain and Allen West would not be Rep. The issue is that the image they perpetuate does not seem beneficial to blacks. A lot of times I see Reps stating that blacks should not be brainwashed by the Dems. But they never say why it will be beneficial for blacks to vote for Reps - how will a Rep improve the day-to-day life for a black person?
So in order to prove a point about liberals being racists and conservatives being colorblind, you go to a CONSERVATIVE website? That doesn't seem biased at all. /s
I agree with you partially. When Rev. Sharpton isn't being lambasted by the conservatives, he actually says a lot of insightful stuff. Not to the extent of what Bill Cosby said, but he does encourage blacks to stop sitting around and pick themselves up. Repeatedly he has stated that the rejuvenation of the black community has to come from the inside. The only clips of him that are aired however, are those where he seems to be against white people.
On the subject of Cosby, I agree wholeheartedly with his speech. Yes, white America does have something to do with the plight of black Americans, but a large part (maybe the majority) of the problem has to do with blacks. The reason blacks are not improving themselves is because they can use whites as a scapegoat (not a rag against white people). The minute that blacks can no longer find a scapegoat for their troubles is the day that the black community begins to improve. Most blacks with an education and a steady income realize that. Most blacks that did not graduate high school and are living in poor areas around the US believe that white people are the reason for their trouble. Educated blacks and poor, uneducated blacks often do not cross paths. This is why the message is not spread.
As far as questioning what Dems have done for blacks vs. what Reps have done, it is no question that the Dems have done more. There are several instances where Dems have actually hurt blacks in the long run, but the issue is that the alternative does not seem better. Reps do not appeal to blacks in the way that Dems do.
So what I'm saying is that when you are on the outside, it would be best for you to not comment about why it is worse on the inside. It is tough to listen to a white man lecture about why the black community is suffering because it just sounds like more hate speech -- even though it might be 100% true. It is best for an insider to deliver the memo, another black that blacks can rally around.
FYI, Herman Cain is not that person. He just sounds like another rich person in the Rep party.
So Herman Cain is just another Uncle Tom pushing for things that other wealthy people, mostly white, want.
I would have rather had Herman Cain as our next President than all the others who tried for the office. I guess that makes him an Uncle Tom because a white man agrees with what he believes. Right?
Generally, people don't describe others in a negative light and then say, "And I'm one of 'em!", so naturally the implication is that the person doing the describing is totally unlike the people he is deriding.
You didn't use the word backward, but I certainly would to describe the people you're claiming exist, because anyone that would base their vote on how they can hurt someone else is hopelessly ignorant and hateful. I have met very few people in my life that would be so petty and I doubt any of them would even bother voting.
You're doing what many people do: creating an idea about those you oppose that justifies your opposition to them. It makes them less like you and thus easier to dismiss.
First I don't care who you claim to know. I don't oppose anyone. I have listened to conservatives. I read their blogs. Visit their websites and there is no doubt that many conservatives in their political choices are motivated by hatred/dislike for millions of other Americans.
There is no doubt that conservatives believe that millions of other Americans are destroying this nation.
There is no doubt that conservatives believe that millions of other Americans are not patriotic or "real" Americans.
There is no doubt that conservatives believe that millions of other Americans are takers, moochers, lazy, etc.
So there is no doubt that when conservatives talk about less government spending they mean less government spending on the wrongs kinds of people that they don't like.
Spending on the military good cause they deserve it. Spending on farmers good cause they deserve it. Spending they perceive to be going to old mostly white people in the forms of Medicare and social security and medicaid, good because they deserve it. Spending that helps their families and friends in the form of various government tax expenditures good because they deserve it.
What's not good government spending, spending that goes to anyone else who are moochers and takers and illegals and welfare queens and lazy who are ruining the country.
See, I don't call that being against government spending. I call that being against certain groups of people.
There is little doubt if you actually read and talk to conservatives that this is their perspective.
Actually, you are wrong. MANY Black people are in full agreement with Bill Cosby. The truth is that he has said nothing different than any other middle class Black family at their Sunday afternoon dinners.
White people take random blurbs on the 5 o'clock news as gospel for the opinions of ALL Black people. If they knew any Black people then they wouldn't have to take random comments as the beliefs of ALL Black people.
When I read things like you write about race it always makes me remember my best friend in basic training in the Army. We were stationed at Ft. Ord California, he was a black 19 year old from Oregon and I a 21 year old from Kansas. Of course, Joe had lived among whites and blacks in a city setting and I had never lived in a city, outside the college town I lived in for four years. Anyway neither of us tended to think of things in racial terms. Joe was one of the blackest men in the place and we had so much fun making fun of all the racists in the company.
Joe, called me Honky and I called him the N word all the time and others thought we were about to go at each other and we always went around the corner and laughed out butts off at how stupid the others, black and white, were. We didn't much care for the Asian boys in the company but really respected those of that kind who were good soldiers.
I never thought about California being full of racist people till Joe and I tried to get a hotel room in Monterey and the clown said that he had a room for me but Joe wouldn't fit in it. I took hold of the front of his shirt and told him what to do with his room and we went back to our normal beds. I think that I had more fun with old Joe on bivouac than anyone ever had at times like that. He was so funny and we enjoyed playing our race card on the other soldiers so much.
Anybody from either race could have learned so much from Joe Morris about race if they could have spent some real time with him. Somehow he just couldn't tell the difference in people from the color of their skin. I know that if I was racist before Joe I sure wasn't after him. It is too bad we don't have any more people like him than we do.
Yes, you people consider me racist because I worked against Obama and still do, but the color of his skin never meant anything to me. It was his policies and his desire to work that change on us that I din't like and still don't. I haven't read anything by non-whites in this thread that I could really disagree with other than how so many really don't understand why whites don't like welfare people. Too many, of all races, won't work these days when they can live so well off the public dole and continue to hear Obama talking about taking the money of the "rich" to redistribute to them.
I will never forget the young black restaurateur I saw on Fox talking about not being able to hire people to work for him because they wanted to sit on their butts and collect their welfare. He made no distinction about race either. Wouldn't it be something if he could start another place of business but couldn't find enough people to work for him? Think of the jobs he wanted to create but couldn't because although he paid well people just didn't want to work, especially after 3 years or so sitting around.
Hey roy. Just a bit of history for you that my clear things up.
Yes, the Reps did free the blacks from slavery. And from the end of the Civil War to the 1930s, blacks generally voted for Republicans. Especially in the South where the state and local governments were run by pro-segregation Dems.
The change started with FDR's New Deal. He was a Dem and he was able to get a lot of blacks out of unemployment and into better-paying jobs. However, the South was still run by Democratic governors that segregated the public.
That change was solidified with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which were signed by Dem. LBJ. When he signed the Civil Rights Act, he said that he was giving the South to the opposing party for a long period of time. Southern Democrats were enraged by the two acts, and several switched sides. Then Nixon appealed to the Southerners' distaste by using the Southern strategy. It appealed to the Southern whites' racism (not that they are racist now, but at the time) by talking about the potential lawlessness and loss of control that could happen from empowered blacks. That is how the South became Republican. The Southern strategy was also the final straw that drove blacks over to the Democratic party: the racist people who have kept them oppressed were now Rep, and the party itself was treating them as less than human.
Hope that helps man.
What you say is surely very true but you failed to realize which party voted those two laws into Bill status. Maybe Johnson signed them but Republicans passed them since they controlled both houses at the time. Of course, Johnson knew what would happen, and he was right.
So there is no doubt that when conservatives talk about less government spending they mean less government spending on the wrongs kinds of people that they don't like.
Post of the month. When I was in undergrad and every time the context of welfare came up it always had a racial undertone to it. I mean I think it is messed up someone who is in physically and mentally perfectly able bodied would rather rely on the government, but many of these people would go overboard and add the racial element to it. Many do not like the whites do it, but minorities doing it makes their blood boil.
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