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Old 11-23-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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An almost comical response. I don't support the stores being open through the traditional Thanksgiving meal. To my knowledge, almost no stores were.
Nope, they opened at 8 or 9PM last night, assigned workers to work overnight thereby forcing their workers to sleep through the traditional meal and celebration.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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This just means that you haven't developed a product that works or you're manufacturing & supply side needs to be improved. Why not be innovative and develop cheaper materials that are energy-efficient? Going in that direction makes you Henry Ford. Just saying that the market cannot afford it as it is now and moving onto something else makes you a minimum wage retail employee.
Wait a second, we now have a bubble person lecturing others on being more "innovative?" Gee whiz, you really are "passionate" aren't you?
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:04 AM
 
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Yes, I called your response almost comical. The sheer idea of people working an industry they don't have passion for and then complaining about it.

You suggested their goal is to make money to survive. Working on Thanksgiving supports that goal.
This is really getting silly. Number one, as comet said, many people don't work in their desired job because of necessity. They have to make a living - that doesn't make it their passion. It makes the job a necessity. While most ethical workers do well even in jobs they are not passionate about, it doesn't mean they LOVE it. Just because workers need money doesn't mean they should have to bend over and take it from corporations for a paycheck. There should be a mutual respect between worker and employer.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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Nope, they opened at 8 or 9PM last night, assigned workers to work overnight thereby forcing their workers to sleep through the traditional meal and celebration.
Yep, and it just becomes another race to the bottom. Target opened at 9 PM this year, so it will be 8 PM next year. Eventually, it will simply be expected that the peons work on Thanksgiving. Would you like to know what most District Team Leaders at Target were doing at that time? Ah, but they "earned" that right, did they not?
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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This is really getting silly. Number one, as comet said, many people don't work in their desired job because of necessity. They have to make a living - that doesn't make it their passion. It makes the job a necessity. While most ethical workers do well even in jobs they are not passionate about, it doesn't mean they LOVE it. Just because workers need money doesn't mean they should have to bend over and take it from corporations for a paycheck. There should be a mutual respect between worker and employer.
I put forth 100% effort at my jobs because it is a point of personal pride, not because I necessarily "love" the job. He seem to be under the misconception that the only way one can put forth maximum effort is if that individual has a "passion" for the job.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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I put forth 100% effort at my jobs because it is a point of personal pride, not because I necessarily "love" the job. He seem to be under the misconception that the only way one can put forth maximum effort is if that individual has a "passion" for the job.
Very true. I am the same way - even in my volunteer work where I am not being paid. I give my all because I have pride in myself and in my name.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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This is really getting silly. Number one, as comet said, many people don't work in their desired job because of necessity. They have to make a living - that doesn't make it their passion. It makes the job a necessity. While most ethical workers do well even in jobs they are not passionate about, it doesn't mean they LOVE it. Just because workers need money doesn't mean they should have to bend over and take it from corporations for a paycheck. There should be a mutual respect between worker and employer.
I agree 100%. Should the retail industry have to be open to meet their goals in providing customers the shopping experience they desire, employers should respectfully pay their employees while employees respectfully do the job they are hired to do.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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I agree 100%. Should the retail industry have to be open to meet their goals in providing customers the shopping experience they desire, employers should respectfully pay their employees while employees respectfully do the job they are hired to do.
That's not what I meant and you know it. Of course, I suppose it's easier to twist people's words to fit your own POV rather than argue your point logically.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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Very true. I am the same way - even in my volunteer work where I am not being paid. I give my all because I have pride in myself and in my name.
It is more a glimpse into the souls of those who operate under this misconception than those of us who give the effort regardless if we love it. I would guess you also witnessed what happened when such folks found themselves in the retail world. I know I did.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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I put forth 100% effort at my jobs because it is a point of personal pride, not because I necessarily "love" the job. He seem to be under the misconception that the only way one can put forth maximum effort is if that individual has a "passion" for the job.
I'm not correlating effort to passion at all. I said it's a conflict of interest between the employer and the employee if they both don't have the same goals. The goal of the retail industry is to provide an excellent shopping experience to customers. I think everyone who worked yesterday and is working today is doing a great job.
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