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Well, for starters, you need a better indicator than skin color. Come up with a better indicator than skin color.
Why? The statistics are pretty clear.
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Stop and frisk violates the 4th amendment.
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
What's unreasonable about a suspicion triggered by the 8 times higher probability that a person who is a member of a certain identifiable group will commit a gun homicide?
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Actually, what this shows is that criminals, of any race, do not care, and see themselves as above the law, and would continue to commit these crimes.
Not exactly. There are HUGE differences in crime rates among the various racial groups. Clearly, some races more than others see themselves as above the law, and would continue to commit these crimes regardless.
Why? The statistics are pretty clear. 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
What's unreasonable about a suspicion triggered by the 8 times higher probability that a person who is a member of a certain identifiable group will commit a gun homicide?
Not exactly. There are HUGE differences in crime rates among the various racial groups. Clearly, some races more than others see themselves as above the law, and would continue to commit these crimes regardless.
No. Prove to me that skin color is a good physical indicator that a person will commit a crime. You have not proven that skin color will make a person commit a crime.
If you aren't breaking the law, then stop-and-frisk is against one's constitutional rights, statistics notwithstanding. The Constitution does not say anything about crime statistics. It says unreasonable search and seizure. If you aren't breaking the law, and you get stopped and searched, no matter what the statistics say, that is illegal.
It is not certain races, it is certain INDIVIDUALS within a race that see themselves as above the law. Most Blacks in America do obey the law. In fact, if you add up ALL of the crimes committed by Blacks, that still leaves a large majority of Blacks who do not commit crimes.
You don't have a Chicago address, so by technicality you don't live in the CITY of Chicago. There is a difference between metropolitan Chicago and the city of Chicago.
No. Prove to me that skin color is a good physical indicator that a person will commit a crime. You have not proven that skin color will make a person commit a crime.
Even the DoJ breaks crime rates down by race.
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If you aren't breaking the law, then stop-and-frisk is against one's constitutional rights, statistics notwithstanding.
That's not what the 4th Amendment says, is it? It says it guarantees the right against unreasonable search and seizure. It is reasonable to suspect a member of a DoJ-identified group that is known to commit gun homicides at 8 times the rate of others.
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It is not certain races, it is certain INDIVIDUALS within a race that see themselves as above the law. Most Blacks in America do obey the law. In fact, if you add up ALL of the crimes committed by Blacks, that still leaves a large majority of Blacks who do not commit crimes.
Does not negate the fact that Blacks commit a grossly disproportionately high amount of crimes. Get those stats back down to a proportionately equal level, and you'd have every right to feel the way you do about it.
That's not what the 4th Amendment says, is it? It says it guarantees the right against unreasonable search and seizure. It is reasonable to suspect a member of a DoJ-identified group that is known to commit gun homicides at 8 times the rate of others.
Does not negate the fact that Blacks commit a grossly disproportionately high amount of crimes. Get those stats back down to a proportionately equal level, and you'd have every right to feel the way you do about it.
For someone that has an extremely negative and low opinion of Blacks, you sure seem to be concerend about their safety.
Why? The statistics are pretty clear. 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
What's unreasonable about a suspicion triggered by the 8 times higher probability that a person who is a member of a certain identifiable group will commit a gun homicide?
Not exactly. There are HUGE differences in crime rates among the various racial groups. Clearly, some races more than others see themselves as above the law, and would continue to commit these crimes regardless.
You have to put profiling in its proper context to accomplish its desired goals and results.
Look at who's committing the crimes and where they are committing it. Are there certain areas they frequent, do they wear certain clothes, make certain signs, have certain codes?
Just randomly snatching any one darker than a paper bag is not the way to go when it comes to catching perps.
I agree that the way to really restore order is to bring in the National Guard but you would catch hell on the civil rights/liberties front.
Gentrification seems to be the route to go without catching hell from any side.
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