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Old 01-21-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Why collectivism is doomed and the next great crisis will massively shift America toward conservatism

 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The article does make some valid points, but cities have JOBS!!! And since most people have to work that's where they're gonna go, despite politics. Income is income that's the way it is
 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The article does make some valid points, but cities have JOBS!!! And since most people have to work that's where they're gonna go, despite politics. Income is income that's the way it is
Go read up on what's happening in Greece. The shift is away from the cities actually.
Those with money are leaving the country while those who can't are moving to rural areas.
Austerity measures are whittling salaries away to nothing.

What's been happening in Greece is reality.
What's been happening in Iceland is reality.

Both are at the extreme ends of how a country deals with debt.
The US will not go the Iceland route IMO.



1,500,000 Greeks considering move to rural areas : Agricultural and Rural Convention

Greek crisis forces thousands of Athenians into rural migration | World news | The Guardian

As Economy Implodes, Young Greeks Begin To Flee Cities For Safe Haven In Ancestral Lands - Everyday fresh news from ALL the WORLD only on Worldcrunch.com |
 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: NC
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Not really just look at the Chinese civil war. The coastal cities with their entrenched foreign interests, and being power bases for warlords and governments did quite well, the rural areas were the places that were constantly raided for food, turned into battlefields, and generally starving. The same thing will happen in any US collapse.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Go read up on what's happening in Greece. The shift is away from the cities actually.
Those with money are leaving the country while those who can't are moving to rural areas.
Austerity measures are whittling salaries away to nothing.

What's been happening in Greece is reality.
What's been happening in Iceland is reality.

Both are at the extreme ends of how a country deals with debt.
The US will not go the Iceland route IMO.




1,500,000 Greeks considering move to rural areas : Agricultural and Rural Convention

Greek crisis forces thousands of Athenians into rural migration | World news | The Guardian

As Economy Implodes, Young Greeks Begin To Flee Cities For Safe Haven In Ancestral Lands - Everyday fresh news from ALL the WORLD only on Worldcrunch.com |
The country will not go towards either extreme in my opinion.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The country will not go towards either extreme in my opinion.
Our policies are leaning more towards Greece though.
Ignore the debt and continue spending.

Iceland told the bankers to go take a flying leap and dealt with collapse.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Our policies are leaning more towards Greece though.
Ignore the debt and continue spending.

Iceland told the bankers to go take a flying leap and dealt with collapse.
Leaning and being the extreme are two different things. There is a very huge range between the two and yes I agree we should of done what Iceland did and arrest all the bankers and given the bailout to Americans.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you want to eat, you will need a place to grow and harvest your own veggies, and be big enough to raise meat or hunt for it.

Only those with rural connections will eat.

Food & water will be the next currency.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Leaning and being the extreme are two different things. There is a very huge range between the two and yes I agree we should of done what Iceland did and arrest all the bankers and given the bailout to Americans.
I know. But Greece is in the worst shape of all the countries financially.
Greece is reality while what we debate about what would happen here in the US is still opinion based.

I was just pointing out that the reality of what is going on in Greece backs up the OP's article.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NC
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If you want to eat, you will need a place to grow and harvest your own veggies, and be big enough to raise meat or hunt for it.

Only those with rural connections will eat.

Food & water will be the next currency.
Not really and here is why. The NYPD alone has 40,000 uniformed officers and plenty of transportation and ordinance. You don't think that if there was a "collapse" the NYPD in some form, and other large urban police departments would organize into militias and then go collect food taxes from rural areas to keep the city going, also don't you think they would keep the harbor open to import stuff? Don't you think town PDs would do the same thing on a smaller scale?
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