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Old 04-30-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Hmm, I wonder what the starting wage will be.

It will be as low a possible until they cannot find enough qualified people to take the jobs. That is how it should work. It is called "supply and demand".

Maybe the factory will go fully automatic with robots and the only "workers" will be high-tech computer operators and engineers who can maintain the equipment.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:48 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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yeah Henry Ford set a bad example back in the 1930s when he paid his workers enough to buy his product. Workers should only get paid enough to pay their company's product......10 years after they built it. That way we can enjoy life with the obviously happy Mexicans who own cars that are 15-20 years old (not joking, either. Go streetview most neighborhoods in Mexico and a ton of the cars look like they are from the early to mid 90s)
Yeah, things were so good back in 1903. It's 2013 now.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:50 AM
 
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It will be as low a possible until they cannot find enough qualified people to take the jobs. That is how it should work. It is called "supply and demand".
That would work in an ideal world, but we don't live in an ideal world. We live in reality, and the reality is the government, at the behest of the "job creators" you love and worship so much demand the US be flooded with immigrants from developing nations, legally and illegally, to artificially drive wages down. That is what is happening with non-union low skill jobs. Free market my ass, pardon my Mexican. The free market is not what is demanding 12+ million illegals to be living here in addition to the million plus immigrants we legally take in every year, not with 7%+ unemployment
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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yeah Henry Ford set a bad example back in the 1930s when he paid his workers enough to buy his product. Workers should only get paid enough to pay their company's product......10 years after they built it. That way we can enjoy life with the obviously happy Mexicans who own cars that are 15-20 years old (not joking, either. Go streetview most neighborhoods in Mexico and a ton of the cars look like they are from the early to mid 90s)

I don't think BMW cares if its workers can afford to buy their cars and they are doing just fine.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:55 AM
 
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All companies should pay minimum wage or less (via illegal immigration)
obama (whom you support) waived his magic wand and legalized millions of unskilled workers onto the job market.

Live with the consequences.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:56 AM
 
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obama (whom you support) waived his magic wand and legalized millions of unskilled workers onto the job market.

Live with the consequences.
I support Obama? Didn't know a vote for Romney translated into a vote for Obama but whatever
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Why stop there? Just repeal the 13th Amendment so companies can own their workers -- because that's really what you are endorsing, a regression back to a time when workers lived hand-to-mouth at the mercy of the company, which was owned by plutocrats smoking cigars and sniffing cognac.
Yes! Let's continue this race to the bottom for the middle class ~ while the plutocrats grow ever richer. I love how the Hostess CEO's paid themselves a lovely bonus for running the company into the ground.

Righties got no problem with that; I never see them mention it. All the blame goes to the evil union.

This is SO silly. Probably the unions did make some outrageous demands. Probably the CEO's made quite a few mistakes - both sides could have done better. Yet 18,000 serfs are out of work and the top 1% made a fortune. Again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

When will the middle class tire of this?
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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Yes! Let's continue this race to the bottom for the middle class ~ while the plutocrats grow ever richer. I love how the Hostess CEO's paid themselves a lovely bonus for running the company into the ground.

Righties got no problem with that; I never see them mention it. All the blame goes to the evil union.

This is SO silly. Probably the unions did make some outrageous demands. Probably the CEO's made quite a few mistakes - both sides could have done better. Yet 18,000 serfs are out of work and the top 1% made a fortune. Again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

When will the middle class tire of this?
The battle for the balance of profit and worker wages is a battle of tug o' war. You need the unions to pull on one end of the rope while the management and owner class tug on the other. In some instances, the union side tugs too hard while the management side tugs too hard. Both need to have equal or near equal force. On the one hand, you can't have unions demanding unrealistically high wages for the skill level of the job, but on the other hand you can't have the CEOs way of having what amounts to a neo-slave class of workers who must work for bottom dollar. American and western European society did not become the hallmarks of civilization based on extreme, tea party fanatic right wing race to the bottom ideology. Only China and India have bucked this trend, but that's only because they both have a billion people in their countries so that 9% yearly GDP growth and fancy new highways and trains looks fantastic on paper even if it's not in real life.

My point is, we need the unions around to maintain our standard of living. The "job creators" are not going to keep paying good wages out of the goodness of their hearts. They wouldn't be lobbying for mass immigration if that was the case.
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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You don't have to apply for the job and neither do anyone in those towns, starting the bakeries back up.

Isn't a choice in life wonderful, when you live in the USA. In China they would be forced....

Unless of course you have lots of people who have been unemployed long term and will take anything.

You must be a real moron not to realize this is definitely not an employees job market right now.

But isnt that what you guys want? (emulate China?)
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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That's a shame. Twinkies and Ding Dongs are disgusting.
HEY! Our cat likes twinkies, (AND the packaging). LOL

However, just because YOU don't like them, do you feel it's your right to force your dislike on others. Some people like them.

1500 people back to work. What will their pay be? Probably whatever they agree to work for. If the pay is too little, they need to either negotiate, or work elsewhere.

They can do what I did. I used to make close to 6 digits a year. Got laid off because of the economy. Worked 2, 3 and sometimes 4 part time jobs a week to keep my family and I afloat. Found full time employment making ¼ of what I used to make.

SO - - - I took the job, proved my value as an employee, now, making almost double what I started at 7 years ago. Still nowhere what I WAS making, BUT, my kids are grown, and all I support is myself, I don't need that kind of money any longer AND I am under a great deal less stress.

Start at the bottom, work your way up. If you prove your value, you get compensated.
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