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Old 08-14-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why were the schools failing in the first place? Unions are tied directly to politics.
All schools are terrific. It's the kids that make or break them. And behind every kid is a parent or two who either values education or not.

I am no fan of the CPS Union. Having said this, I do acknowledge that CPS teachers work in some of the nation's worst and best schools. Highly selective public schools consistently outperform suburban schools despite that the student population in city schools is racially and economically diverse.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's utter nonsense that we don't have the National Guard patrolling these war zones (oh, but how many thousands were shipped to Iraq??). Granted many of the black community would rather have their children shot rather than ask "the man" for any actual assistance, but who cares what they want at this point. Put trained soldiers with guns there for god's sake. Give the neighborhood kids a chance!
I have often said that Chicago needs to bring in the National Guard and tanks to some of these neighborhoods. Yet, the more I think about it, what would it accomplish beyond potentially increased and temporary safety on some streets, in some neighborhoods. The gangs will simply move and in doing so create more conflict over territory.

Maybe the Guard could beat the gangs back to the Indiana border.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why can't they roll armored SWAT vehicles through the streets rounding up the gangs under RICO laws? WHY NOT?!?!?!?!
New State ‘RICO’ Law Leads To Street Gang Arrests « CBS Chicago

The state, any state, has to prove racketeering.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The city would be sued out the arse for racial profiling if they did that. The liberals community organizers have created this entire mess. Guess who led the charge............
Do you mean Obama who did a brief stint as a community organizer between schools, back when?
His claim to fame was bringing suit against the Chicago Housing Authority Machine for lead paint/ asbestos in one housing project.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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why don't they just bring in the military and mow down these gangs once and for all??
What? Do you think the gangbangers will line up and fight, like it's the OK Corral or something? What fantasy world would that happen in?
It's pretty funny. The people who cry the loudest about the USA being a "police state" are the same ones who want to send the Guard into Chicago because why? It's okay as long as it's not in your neighborhood?
As someone who actually lives on the west side of Chicago, I will tell you unequivocally that the residents don't want tanks and soldiers rolling down our streets. I do support using RICO to go after gang leadership, and have no problem treating gangs as domestic terrorists, but the law abiding citizens shouldn't have to feel like they live in Baghdad because bed wetters like you (who don't even live here) think that military intervention would by any kind of solution to the actual problems plaguing these distressed neighborhoods.

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Then the authorities wonder why crime goes wild claime they are the ones who can take care of us and then when the call comes decide oh hell I'm not going into that neighborhood it's too violent and show up an hour later to see if anybody was killed. I think the problem is many of the folks running these cities don't want it to change and are happy with the status quo as it is keeping them right where they want to be........in office.
I have no love for Chicago cops, but the bolded part is just pure fiction. Another example of someone who has zero experience with Chicago trying to tell us how things are in Chicago, when, not surprisingly, my actual experiences living in Chicago are much much different. You should stick to talking about things you know something about.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Do you mean Obama who did a brief stint as a community organizer between schools, back when?
His claim to fame was bringing suit against the Chicago Housing Authority Machine for lead paint/ asbestos in one housing project.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to middle-aged mom again."

I'm sure some around here would be willing extoll the health benefits of asbestos in order to marginalize Obama. They even seem to think somehow it's some sort of given that the term "community organizer" is a pejorative.

*** Visualize scenario where children on a playground are sparring verbally, and the witty rejoinder of "Poopy face!" is met with "Community organizer!!" to collective gasps (and a mouth washed out with soap!) ***
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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It has gotten this bad in the windy city? No wonder kids don't want to go to school there. They have to plan for the return of children to school like they did for the NATO conference? What the hell is going on in that city? Oh wait never mind democrats have been in control for years. The transformation has occurred in Detroit and Chicago is not far behind.

"Chicago Public Schools officials today released maps of routes where security will be provided for the thousands of children going to new schools this year.

The so-called "safe passage" routes are designed to smoothly shift students from 47 schools being closed this year to nearby schools. (Click HERE to see maps)
Parents have voiced concern about children crossing rival gang territories and passing empty buildings and vacant lots. Some of them have complained that CPS has been late releasing the maps.

Training for safe passage workers, originally targeted by CPS for this week, is now set to begin next Thursday.

CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett said the maps are being mailed to every student affected by closings as well as being posted on district’s website.

“They are not embedded in stone,” she said. “It’s a daily communication, daily opportunity. Where we know there may be an incident, we trust the Chicago police department and our safety and security to make sure we are informed and updated regularly.”

Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said the same police unit that planned for NATO is planning for the back to school week when students from 47 closed elementary schools will be walking to designated neighborhood schools. He said police will be patrolling the routes. District commanders will have specific plans for each route."

CPS releases maps of safe passage routes - chicagotribune.com
It's what YOU don't know about the area that can really be detrimental to your opinions on this subject. Since you don't reside in the Chicago area, and probably have never even been through this area called "safe passage" to say is this how bad things are in the "windy city".

The area itself {one safe passage-Western Avenue} is a cesspool of drug dealing and homicides. Add to the problems is that children will need to cross Western Avenue, which is one of the busiest streets in Chicago. I know the area, have passed through it many, many times in the past, and it is an area where when a person drives through it, it's best to keep your car doors locked and windows up and be wary of people who might try walking in front of you to get you to slow down or stop.

One or more of these routes in my opinion is a joke because it was reported on Chicago's MSM, cops will not always be available to sit, watch and patrol these areas. Safety for children is largely going to be dependent on CPS new hires to escort children through the areas. These people will need to be alert, street smart and have a keen eye for spotting potential trouble and problems along the way.

BTW, the entire "windy city" is not like this, just for your information.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The people who cry the loudest about the USA being a "police state" are the same ones who want to send the Guard into Chicago because why? It's okay as long as it's not in your neighborhood?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Dear Valerie Jarrett.
So much has been devoted to speculation about the relationship between the Obama family and Valerie Jarrett. The one that jelled with me was that Valerie Jarrett represented acceptance of the Obama into the " upper crust" of black society that he especially needed, given his background and absence of any black influence in his life.

The Habitat Company ( not America) was formed in the early 70's and quickly became the top property management company in the city, including substantial private and public buildings. Valerie was CEO for about 5 years in the 90's, I think. She was very much a part of the Machine politics in Chicago. Both father and son Daleys were very adept at getting federal funding for all sort of pet projects and they threw serious money at pals to clean up the assorted housing projects and social services to no avail. Habitat was managing public housing before and during Valerie's stint as CEO and continues to do so to this day, despite more than a decade since her departure.

There is no love lost between Valerie and Rahm Emanuel, current mayor of Chicago. Rahm, as most know, was a senior advisor during the Clinton Admin. Rahm strongly opposed the timing of the ACA and thought it better to tackle the economy. That's been his approach in Chicago, thus far.

Competition and technology eliminated the big south side employers in Chicago. 2+ generations later and here we are. Has any major city made consistent headway in terms of eliminating gangs?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It has gotten this bad in the windy city? No wonder kids don't want to go to school there. They have to plan for the return of children to school like they did for the NATO conference? What the hell is going on in that city? Oh wait never mind democrats have been in control for years. The transformation has occurred in Detroit and Chicago is not far behind.

"Chicago Public Schools officials today released maps of routes where security will be provided for the thousands of children going to new schools this year.

The so-called "safe passage" routes are designed to smoothly shift students from 47 schools being closed this year to nearby schools. (Click HERE to see maps)
Parents have voiced concern about children crossing rival gang territories and passing empty buildings and vacant lots. Some of them have complained that CPS has been late releasing the maps.

Training for safe passage workers, originally targeted by CPS for this week, is now set to begin next Thursday.

CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett said the maps are being mailed to every student affected by closings as well as being posted on district’s website.

“They are not embedded in stone,” she said. “It’s a daily communication, daily opportunity. Where we know there may be an incident, we trust the Chicago police department and our safety and security to make sure we are informed and updated regularly.”

Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said the same police unit that planned for NATO is planning for the back to school week when students from 47 closed elementary schools will be walking to designated neighborhood schools. He said police will be patrolling the routes. District commanders will have specific plans for each route."

CPS releases maps of safe passage routes - chicagotribune.com
Just toss up your hands Chicago, and say the criminals have won, and be done with it.
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