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Old 10-28-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Of course the union is going to recommend a democratic candidate. Why the hell would they support a republican? I've worked in the private non-union sector for decades. Many times the employer himself recommended republican candidates to all employees. Anyone can recommend any candidate until they are blue in the face. Voting is private, you can vote for whom ever you want. So what is your real complaint about your former union?
Really?

That has never happened to me... ever. Only while a part of the union was politics ever a big deal at work.

My main complaint was the way I was treated on the way out.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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That must be why fast-food workers are striking for more pay; the quality work environment with a competitive advantage.
They could try to actually improve the businesses to the point where they add more value to the company. You know...work harder and improve yourself to prove you deserve more money?

And the working conditions of any American worker today is nowhere near in the same ballpark as it was when unions were actually needed. We have a legal and legislative infrastructure to handle poor companies. That did not exist when unions were actually needed.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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They could try to actually improve the businesses to the point where they add more value to the company. You know...work harder and improve yourself to prove you deserve more money?

And the working conditions of any American worker today is nowhere near in the same ballpark as it was when unions were actually needed. We have a legal and legislative infrastructure to handle poor companies. That did not exist when unions were actually needed.
Don't you think the fact the market is assuming many of the state's powers might mean unions are more essential than they were in say 1985?
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Don't you think the fact the market is assuming many of the state's powers might mean unions are more essential than they were in say 1985?
Not in the least. Unions were just as unessential in 1985 as they are today.

The market needs to assume as much of the state's powers as it can, given our current political and economic environments.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Is that a serious question?

"Sign this, or we'll strike and cost you hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, and maybe even put you out of business."

It's extortion, plain and simple.
If the business doesn't like it, they can just leave.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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They could try to actually improve the businesses to the point where they add more value to the company. You know...work harder and improve yourself to prove you deserve more money?
Yeah, that always works at McDonald's.
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Old 10-28-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If the business doesn't like it, they can just leave.
The logic doesn't work in that direction, and if you honestly believe that it does, then you're a lost cause.

Tell ya what. Go start and grow your own business. Set it up from the get go as a union shop. Acquiesce to all their demands. Pay the exorbitant wages. Provide the excruciatingly costly benefits.

Do that, and let me know what that business actually does. I'll start a comparable business, without the costs of union extortion.

Want to bet which is going to be more profitable, and will be around longer?
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Old 10-28-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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All the wood, carpet and tile mills, that have not packed up and moved to China, are not in Jersey!!

They are in Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Alabama.


Are they making Steel in the USA anymore?
Yes they are. The forges and processing plants are much more efficient though, and rely on far fewer employees. The steel industry is alive and well in the states though. Matter of fact, our steel makers are surprisingly competitive. We hire a fraction of the hands that China must hire, and our energy prices are cheaper. Go America
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Old 10-28-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Ok then, let's take away the union. Now both Mary and Jane are earning **** with Jane earning slightly more then Mary. Plus with no union they can be fired at any time for any reason or even for no reason at all. How does Jane like her economic freedom now?
An employer would keep Jane and launch Mary....as should be.
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Old 10-28-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The logic doesn't work in that direction, and if you honestly believe that it does, then you're a lost cause.

Tell ya what. Go start and grow your own business. Set it up from the get go as a union shop. Acquiesce to all their demands. Pay the exorbitant wages. Provide the excruciatingly costly benefits.

Do that, and let me know what that business actually does. I'll start a comparable business, without the costs of union extortion.

Want to bet which is going to be more profitable, and will be around longer?
I'm not a shareholder in your business. Why should I care if it's profitable or is around longer?
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