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More than that, it creates an incentive to opt out. You don't have to pay dues but get the same gains that the union won. "Right to work," are just laws that are designed to kill unions and take away their funding.
Nonsense. We should have freedom of association, and RTW protects that. Join voluntarily if you wish, opt not to if you wish.
I was in the IBEW (electrical union) for 6 years in California.
Being in a construction union is like being part of a street gang.
If your one of them, your a good ol' boy / homie. If your not part of them, your a "scab".
I was in their good graces until I opted to change careers and pulled my pension in October of 2007 (great unintended timing there as we all know where the markets went from there ).
To say the phone calls I received were "cold" would be an understatement.
Add to the above the fact that they would mail each member lists of the Democratic candidates for each election that they "recommended" you vote for and you have plenty of reasons to see why I don't approve of unions.
I saw a guy the other day with a pipe fitters union shirt with skulls and an American flag that said "Born American, Union till' I die". I said to myself "that union very well might not be there before you die buddy... better not rely on the gang. They will let you down."
Of course the union is going to recommend a democratic candidate. Why the hell would they support a republican? I've worked in the private non-union sector for decades. Many times the employer himself recommended republican candidates to all employees. Anyone can recommend any candidate until they are blue in the face. Voting is private, you can vote for whom ever you want. So what is your real complaint about your former union?
I'm saying your wish goes too far towards suppressing an employee's right to join a union if he/she wishes.
You didn't answer my question.
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Just answer this: If an employee is conspiring to commit an act that will harm my business, why shouldn't I be legally allowed to terminate them for it?
OSHA? federal safety standards? labor laws? You really think those aren't next on the hit list once the unions are gone?
Do you understand how the legislative process works?
I don't think you do.
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And those lawyers working pro bono won't be any help if they don't have a case
Who said anything about pro bono? I said that they work on contingency.
I don't think you have any idea about what you're discussing. I'm not going to waste any more time with you on this. If you don't understand the topic, you should probably stay out of the discussion.
They are voluntary. The workers take a vote and if they vote to have a union then they have a union
And what about those workers who vote against unionizing? It's involuntary for them, as well as for anyone who gets hired after the union is in place.
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So working for **** is better then being "forced" to join something that's going to make sure you make more. And why the hell does it have to be a "third party" to count? Unions aren't a third party anyway. Those union members are part of the company. They work there (or does being part of the company only apply when it's going under?)
Really? So, the people who run the Teamsters union all work at every company which employs members of the Teamsters? Hate to tell you this, but James P. Hoffa doesn't make nearly $400,000 by driving a truck or working on a loading dock.
Unions are, indeed, a third party which take up space between the employees and the employer. And yes, at this point they are taking up space. They protect workers who are incompetent and/or unwilling to do their job, they "encourage" their members to toe the Democrat party line, and they muddy elections all across this country. For a shining example of incompetent people keeping their jobs because of unions, take a look at our public education system. Even your local elementary school probably has a few teachers who should have been fired years ago but weren't because of their union status.
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So working for **** is better then being "forced" to join something that's going to make sure you make more.
No doubt, in many cases you will make more for a while by working in a union shop. However, when paying those union wages becomes too costly and the company decides to move, close, or sell - behavior which we have seen over and over again - that union membership doesn't look so good anymore, does it?
"Sign this, or we'll strike and cost you hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, and maybe even put you out of business."
It's extortion, plain and simple.
Odd, Kohler, Harley Davidson, Mercury Marine, Ford (Fusion plant is $14/hr labor) ,and dozens of smaller firms told unions the same thing in reverse..sign this contract with large concessions, or we will leave the state.
Your quote above is from a time warp..circa AFL-CIO 1973, it was accurate, but not in 2013.
Find a large employer with a union, you will find a two tier contract. Tier II is precisely what non union shops nearby pay. It is sustainable for both employer and employee. It is usually 40%+ below Tier I, which was not sustainable.
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I've worked in the private non-union sector for decades. Many times the employer himself recommended republican candidates to all employees. Anyone can recommend any candidate until they are blue in the face. Voting is private, you can vote for whom ever you want. So what is your real complaint about your former union?
