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I don't get it. Obama has blatantly lied to the American people with this insurance thing.
Whenever this was said, I always took it to mean the government wouldn't force people off of good insurance plans. I didn't take it as a guarantee that employers wouldn't.
Obama said, "If you like your insurance, you can keep it. Period." Where in that does it say only good insurance plans can be kept?
On top of that he has broken a number of election year promises about transparency.
Yeah, politicians make promises they can't keep.
This was not a hard promise to keep, yet he didn't even try and went completely the other way.
He has played ignorant to tons of abuses of power in his administration.
Plausible denial. But you'd have to be more specific.
I don't think it's plausible that his key advisors knew of the IRS investigation but he only found out about it in the newspapers like everyone else. I don't think it's plausible that he was unaware of the NSA spying apparatus. I do not think it's plausible that he thought the video was the provocation for the Benghazi attack. However, I do think it's plausible he didn't know about Fast & Furious until after the fact.
He hasn't closed Guantanamo.
He seems to need help from Congress on that one. I'll say it's partially his fault.
He had a Democratic majority the first two years in office, so he could have closed it. But I am happy he did not because putting those guys in the general population of U.S. prisons would be a nightmare. Imagine the recruiting possibilities they'd have in prison?
He hasn't delivered on the robust recovery that campaigned on.
Mostly his fault--or at least, mostly his party's fault--, but I doubt we'd agree on exactly how this happened.
Agreed.
He is still using drones to blow up people in Pakistan and other third world hellholes.
True
I get it that he is, in theory, ideologically in line with you but practically the man is just another Washington plutocrat playing the game to save himself.
I'm a liberal, I hold my nose and vote Democrat. I'll defend Obama only when I think attacks against him are unfair and/or hypocritical
I have never defended the presidency of George W Bush because I believe that he is the antithesis of what a GOP member should be.
But many other GOP supporters do, and many of their attacks on Obama are hypocritical.
True, but many GOP supporters did not support Bush, especially at the end of his presidency. Also, Bush didn't get a media pass like Obama has. Obama lied about being able to keep insurance plans we like, NBC reported of a three-year old memo that showed Obama knew it was a lie when he said it, and the New York Times said he misspoke. They're part of the reason Obama feels safe lying, because many in the press will cover for him.
Further Bush campaigned on nonintervention and broke that promise and a host of other things. I do not, nor will not defend his presidency and I'm a lifelong republican.
That's fair, but just because Bush wasn't perfect, doesn't mean you shouldn't defend him if he's unfairly attacked. Bush and Obama have been attacked for good reasons, and bad ones.
So I ask you...why defend this man when he has so clearly governed in a manner inconsistent with his campaign promises?
Obama said, "If you like your insurance, you can keep it. Period." Where in that does it say only good insurance plans can be kept?
I understood the context of the words differently.
This was not a hard promise to keep, yet he didn't even try and went completely the other way.
I think it's a harder promise to keep than you might imagine. He should have known that. He should never have made it.
I don't think it's plausible that his key advisors knew of the IRS investigation but he only found out about it in the newspapers like everyone else. I don't think it's plausible that he was unaware of the NSA spying apparatus. I do not think it's plausible that he thought the video was the provocation for the Benghazi attack. However, I do think it's plausible he didn't know about Fast & Furious until after the fact.
IRS--plausible; NSA--not plausible; Fast & Furious--plausible, I guess; Benghazi--plausible, in fact, for weeks after the attack, the CIA still believed it was because of the video according to Murphy and Webbs, the authors of Benghazi: The Definitive Report, there's no reason the President wouldn't have deferred to their opinion during that time.
True, but many GOP supporters did not support Bush, especially at the end of his presidency. Also, Bush didn't get a media pass like Obama has. Obama lied about being able to keep insurance plans we like, NBC reported of a three-year old memo that showed Obama knew it was a lie when he said it, and the New York Times said he misspoke. They're part of the reason Obama feels safe lying, because many in the press will cover for him.
Your first point would be a little hard to substantiate and this entire media pass thing gets old. I don't think the media is tough enough on Republicans or Democrats. If the media had been tough on Bush, he wouldn't have gotten his invasion of Iraq in 2003, he wouldn't have won in 2004 and he probably wouldn't have even gotten the nomination in 2000. You can't turn around and argue that the media was too impotent to destroy Bush but then say it's somehow powerful when covering up for Obama. If the media's powerful and biased against you, they should have torpedoed Bush and the GOP should pretty much be finished, but those things didn't happen. If they're not powerful and biased against you, covering up for Obama shouldn't be a major issue because it doesn't do much to help him.
Almost no one comes to this forum for information or to add to their grasp of politics. If you were honest with yourselves, you'd admit that you just come here to fight. You toss out all manner of insults, untruths, and disinformation regarding the president on a daily basis. To a degree, it's understandable that you're still hurting after Obama buried your boys in two landslide elections.
But please don't expect your little screeds to go unchallenged.
Live long and prosper.
Wrong, it's not about politics, 0bama is the president, there is nothing to be gained by just insulting him.
If you won't help the rest of us try and make our nation a better place, by opening your eyes to what our greedy, self-serving politicians are doing to it, then we are doomed to our fate.
0bama is looting the US treasury for his cronies, the Federal Reserve alone is looting $85 billion a month going to the Wall Street fat cats. Have you asked yourself which clearing house is handling all those billion for the Fed? Even if all they are getting is a 1% fee for $85 billion a month, that equals $85 million a month. I don't know which clearing house it is, and the 0abam admin is not telling us.
Lets see : The Pres. has helped get the country out of a depression (my term, no proof).
The Pres. has gotten the guy who planned the killing of 3000 Americans. ( Some who I went to HS with).
The Pres. has signed laws which help people.
The Pres. has kept the US out of any extra wars.
The Pres. has come up with ideas while the Republicans can only say no to any ideas he may suggest.
The Pres. has shown the Republicans to be liars. ( Hence the large # of threads such as this)
I don't get it. Obama has blatantly lied to the American people with this insurance thing. On top of that he has broken a number of election year promises about transparency. He has played ignorant to tons of abuses of power in his administration. He hasn't closed Guantanamo. He hasn't delivered on the robust recovery that campaigned on. He is still using drones to blow up people in Pakistan and other third world hellholes.
I get it that he is, in theory, ideologically in line with you but practically the man is just another Washington plutocrat playing the game to save himself.
I have never defended the presidency of George W Bush because I believe that he is the antithesis of what a GOP member should be. Further Bush campaigned on nonintervention and broke that promise and a host of other things. I do not, nor will not defend his presidency and I'm a lifelong republican.
So I ask you...why defend this man when he has so clearly governed in a manner inconsistent with his campaign promises?
They have all been brainwashed!!!! THEY MUST COMPLY!!
No. You've made that up. No one calls you a racist for simply disagreeing with policy.
Sound like you have some kind of complex.
Wow, no one calls the Right racist? The Dems don't froth at the mouth to point out race, at every opportunity, when a Republican says they don't like "O"?
You can't expect the O-bots to respond by 8 a.m., why it is so exhausting waiting around for a welfare check, that they need all the sleep that they can get.
Because they are delusional kooks. Obama has done more to violate our nation's constitution than any other president in modern American history. The only reason his butt isn't kicked out of office yet is because the media has protected him the entire way. I fail to see how REAL Liberals can still defend Obama after the NSA revelations and his bold-faced lie on Obamacare. Libs will still believe the economy sucks because of "the evil Republicans" and that Benghazi was not a big deal, but a true liberal would not ignore the NSA revelations and Obamacare lie.
But as you all know, those still defending Obama are kooks with delusional minds.
By the way, I am a center-leaning-right voter who thinks George W. Bush was one of the worst presidents ever, outdone only by Obama.
You voted for Kerry in 2004? Interesting. Kerry campaigned on similar program to Obamacare, described as a "significant expansion of the federal government's role in providing health care".
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