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I don't. Everybody that I know with a COLLEGE degree are making above MIN. WAGE.........even if they end up working at a fast food, a college degree equals supervisor/management wages.
I know Mexicans and Latinos with NO college and hardly speak english making $12/$13 an hour at fast food places because they have strong work ethic and move up. I know full time janitors making over $13 an hour and they have NO education.
Of course not all workers are the same. Some could care less in moving up in the work place and have zero ambition. Some know the system well that if they make a certain amount money their welfare checks and government will be cut or stop. They know if they make more money they won't qualify for the EARNED INCOME CREDIT which for them is between from $3,500 to $7,000 every year on their tax return so they stay at a certain lower salary on purpose.......thank Uncle Sam for that.
ALL of the college-educated MW workers I have known are childless, which means they don't get welfare and only a few get EIC (which for childless workers pays nearly squat).
I agree that small businesses may be hard pressed to pay more than the min wage, but there are many large companies/corporations that can afford it and should pay it, they would not miss a beat. Small businesses should be exempt for now.
The large corps profits would be so feeble a private equity raider would buy them, cut out huge chunks of workers, and sell them to someone who could run them that way.
Is increasing unemployment the goal?
A good example: Wal Mart often makes less than a 4% operating profit. 4% is not worth the risk, let alone a lower %.
We also didn't have excessive housing and land use regulations in the 1920s. Those excessive regulations are the primary reason adults can't live adequately on minimum wage today.
Yeah, cause that surely pushed prices up not the simple fact that at that time we didn't have such a global economy. I just love it when things are so much easier to blame things on "over regulation" You know what lets just get rid of those silly regulations I don't know about you but I just love helping companies out so much lets let them dump harmful chemicals in our water supply because they are too cheap to discard such things in a moral way.
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??? Then the US programmer is only worth $20k, unless there is some qualitative difference I don't know about between the two.
Big difference between india and the u.s. We don't have sweatshops in this country anymore where you'd be making the equivalent too $5 american dollars while working 12hr days and living in a "company town" which consists of one large latrine running right next to your open house. Where you get charged on every little thing while having 4-5 people in a tiny apartment.
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tell us why poor people can't move from poor class to middle class? they don't have enough education or enough skills to move up for many reasons. Drug addiction, single parent home, no/bad education, no work ethic.
Raising the MIN wage on the poor won't do anything. The cost of living will go up, that's one step forward and 2 steps backward.
Is this the only reason why poor people can't move up in this country ? Is it really that simplistic ? No I just think your one of those kinds of people who could careless about anyone else and wouldn't mind hiring someone at $2 an hour if it would mean helping your bottom line stay afloat.
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Yes, if you're 32 and working MW the odds are you've made some bad career, education, training choices.
Or perhaps you were working a corporate job that got cut after 20+ years and are having trouble keeping up with today's rising qualifications where even at an entry level position at say best buy or cvs you need to fill out a 10 - 15 minutes questionnaire made up by some psychologist hack.
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You know, people who think that working full time should lead to a pay check that is sufficient to survive without government assistance.
People like to call low wage workers lazy, dumb, drug addicts, whatever. The real issue is that a certain segment of the population feels that they're entitled to things without paying for them. They expect you and me and every other tax payer to subsidize their trips to Wal Mart and McDonald's, but then have the audacity to also rail against the social safety net (not only do they not want to pay the workers at the store, they also don't want to pay taxes to make up the difference between pay and actual cost of living), as if people should work full time and go home to some shanty town that would make a refuge camp look ritzy.
Yep, many of these people are diluted into thinking they are the "job creators" and that if only they work harder they will than be above all the bottom feeders they like to laugh at.
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Conservatives have low-wage workers in a gotcha - either they made bad career choices if they work low-wage jobs, or are mooching parasite slacker bums if they reject low-wage jobs.
Is this the only reason why poor people can't move up in this country ? Is it really that simplistic ? No I just think your one of those kinds of people who could careless about anyone else and wouldn't mind hiring someone at $2 an hour if it would mean helping your bottom line stay afloat.
Did I say that is the ONLY reason? NO!... there could be many circumstances why people can't get out of poverty. It could be for bad choices or bad environment.
Now you are talking out of your a-hole about me. If you are dumb enough to work for me for $2 an hour when you can get pay more in the market for the same service then who's fault is that? You need the federal government to do your negotiating for you?
Did I say that is the ONLY reason? NO!... there could be many circumstances why people can't get out of poverty. It could be for bad choices or bad environment.
Now you are talking out of your a-hole about me. If you are dumb enough to work for me for $2 an hour when you can get pay more in the market for the same service then who's fault is that? You need the federal government to do your negotiating for you?
And if everyone in the market is paying the same rate of $2 an hour, then what? It isn't hard for a bunch of "job creators" to get together and decide what a market value for an employee should be and could easily decide it to be $2 an hour.
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What about all the people that started at minimum wage, and worked their way up to making $10.75 today? They'd suddenly be minimum wage workers again. Do you think they'd stand for that? Would you? Of course not. They're going to demand a raise commensurate with the raise those below them just received.
Your argument is based on the assumption that the work these people were doing was only worth 7.25 and that they are now getting a raise, while others are arguing that these people were always under paid and always deserved far more.
And if everyone in the market is paying the same rate of $2 an hour, then what? It isn't hard for a bunch of "job creators" to get together and decide what a market value for an employee should be and could easily decide it to be $2 an hour.
the free market decides this........what is the other option bureaucrats in the FED government? that has work so well in socialist countries.
the free market decides this........what is the other option bureaucrats in the FED government? that has work so well in socialist countries.
Actually job creators decide this because they are the ones doing the hiring. If you could increase your profits by paying employees less and your competition agrees and also pays their employees less, that is no longer free market.
Actually job creators decide this because they are the ones doing the hiring. If you could increase your profits by paying employees less and your competition agrees and also pays their employees less, that is no longer free market.
and what is a free market for you, the forces of supply and demand controlled by the government? LOL
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