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Really, he was a christian bakery? First that I heard that. He was open to the public and not run by a church, he was not a christian bakery, just a christian with biases.
What the customers will use the cake for is irrelevant. But you can certainly discriminate against neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazi does not fall into a legally protected class.
I read the bill several times. Why don't you explain to me what the bill did, including its effect.
Lol no! There is no way around this. You either believe it's discrimination or you don't. There is no '' It's only discrimination if it's done to me but not others''kind of talk here, that's just being hypocritical, no offense intended.
The bill simply provides extra protection for a business owner's religious rights. That's it. No where does the bill mention anything about gays or homosexuals. The spin you guys are making this out to be is pure hyperbole! Especially seeing as how businesses in Arizona can refuse to serve gays anyway if they wanted, but how many do? None of them. They're not going to start suddenly doing it because of a bill.
I agree that discrimination against gays is wrong. It certainly is and has no place in our society. However gay activists only have themselves to blame for this bill and the many others that are soon to follow. They have sued, harassed, and even forced businesses to close because the owners would not violate their religious values or rights.
None of those businesses were homophobic, they had no problem serving gay people on a day to day basis, only when it was a special case such as a wedding case or a ceremony. If gay activists would respect the rights of religious people and stop trying to push their lifestyle onto everyone (which is what this is really about) then these bills would not exist. But because of Religious Discrimination, these kind of bills are necessary.
The only people being discriminated against here are religious people, and the only bigots here are the gay activists. Tolerance is a two way street, why you guys can't seem to understand this is beyond me.
Sorry, the right of people to be treated decently and with respect trumps your right to obey the stupid, hateful orders from your imaginary father in the sky. We are not a theocracy. We afford religion too much "respect" as it is.
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An anology that doesn't even make any sense. Try again.
The poster I was responding to stated that the baker was "sanctifying" the SSM by baking a cake. Bakers do not sanctify anything to do with the wedding ceremony.
Please look up the meaning of sanctify and tell me if a baker sanctifies weddings.
Lol no! There is no way around this. You either believe it's discrimination or you don't. There is no '' It's only discrimination if it's done to me but not others''kind of talk here, that's just being hypocritical, no offense intended.
The bill simply provides extra protection for a business owner's religious rights. That's it. No where does the bill mention anything about gays or homosexuals. The spin you guys are making this out to be is pure hyperbole! Especially seeing as how businesses in Arizona can refuse to serve gays anyway if they wanted, but how many do? None of them. They're not going to start suddenly doing it because of a bill.
I agree that discrimination against gays is wrong. It certainly is and has no place in our society. However gay activists only have themselves to blame for this bill and the many others that are soon to follow. They have sued, harassed, and even forced businesses to close because the owners would not violate their religious values or rights.
None of those businesses were homophobic, they had no problem serving gay people on a day to day basis, only when it was a special case such as a wedding case or a ceremony. If gay activists would respect the rights of religious people and stop trying to push their lifestyle onto everyone (which is what this is really about) then these bills would not exist. But because of Religious Discrimination, these kind of bills are necessary.
The only people being discriminated against here are religious people, and the only bigots here are the gay activists. Tolerance is a two way street, why you guys can't seem to understand this is beyond me.
If tolerance is a two way street, then those businesses open to the public need to learn some tolerance and leave their bible at home. Their bible and their beliefs have nothing to do with running their business and their beliefs should not be given legal regards to running a public accommodation.
Really, he was a christian bakery? First that I heard that. He was open to the public not run by a church, he was not a christian bakery, just a christian with biases.
It was a small business owned and operated by devout Christian's. You're just playing semantics now. The owners were not hateful people either, they specifically said that they love gay people the same as everyone else.
There are Jewish bakeries. Owned by devout Jewish people, they don't need to have a sign that says '' Jewish'' on it. It's still called a Jewish bakery. And if a neo Nazi couple demanded that the owners of the bakery baked them a cake, the owners would not be able to refuse because under your logic that would be discrimination.
If tolerance is a two way street, then those businesses open to the public need to learn some tolerance and leave their bible at home. Their bible and their beliefs have nothing to do with running their business and their beliefs should not be given legal regards to running a public accommodation.
They have every right to be open to the public. It's their God given, Natural, Constitutional Right. Businesses do not have to be a secular thing, you are free to open any kind of business you want, wether it's Christian, Jewis , Muslim, Atheist etc... Such businesses do exist. There are Christian book stores for example.
Businesses are private enterprises. Not owned by you or the public or the Government. If you want to create a Gay Bakery you are free to do so, and you should be able to refuse the service of a homophobe if they wanted you to provide a special service that violated your values.
It's only discrimination if you just outright refuse people period. Refusing a specific service is not the same thing.
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