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Old 05-08-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: California
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I hope you realize how naive your idea is? Human kind have been using drugs since day one and no amount of drug education would stop people from using drugs. Just like with alcohol, many drug user turn to drugs as a result of an underlying mental issue.
I'm sorry for your attitude, but having been raised during generations that knew better and ostracized from their lives those few that were dumb enough to get hooked on drugs, I know that education of the bad consequences of drug use starting with the very young will bring back the understanding of the reasons youngsters should never start with drugs. This is not a simple subject. There is much that needs to accompany the "just say no" phase, but it can be done.

Intelligent people don't use drugs. Yes, "some" people over the centuries have been users and that is too bad. They destroy much of their potential to protect their health, including mental health. Drugs have destroyed countries. I don't think we want to see America destroyed, but it will happen if "we the people" don't wake up and stop the foolish mentality that prevails in society today.

In America drug users diminish tremendously (the more drugs the worse it is) their opportunity to live a wonderful life that America offers to all of those who are responsible and pursue the opportunities this country offers.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Good Lord!

First off, yes, crimes get committed while on alcohol. Alcohol is a LEGAL drug. That should give you some perspective about legalizing more drugs.

Secondly, ecstacy? Seriously? This is old, but I don't think anything has changed much since it was written:
**MDMA¿s acute effects last from three to eight hours [1] and its short-lasting effects include feelings of euphoria, enhanced mental and emotional clarity, sensations of lightness and floating and other hallucinations. Users of MDMA also have suppressed appetite, thirst or need to sleep. Sometimes users who are attending two- to three-day parties suffer from severe dehydration or exhaustion [1].

Other unpleasant and/or dangerous acute effects include feelings of depersonalization, elevated anxiety, muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, chills and sweating, hypertension, tremors, seizures and increased body temperature. It is very possible to overdose on MDMA; these overdoses may produce fatality by heart failure or extreme heat stroke [3].
**
What are the effects of the drug Ecstasy? - Scientific American

The article goes on to discuss other negative effects of its use.
Yes there are problems with MDMA, just like there are problems with alcohol, that's why I think the two are very comparable. MDMA is probably more enjoyable for many people though.
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I'm sorry for your attitude, but having been raised during generations that knew better and ostracized from their lives those few that were dumb enough to get hooked on drugs, I know that education of the bad consequences of drug use starting with the very young will bring back the understanding of the reasons youngsters should never start with drugs. This is not a simple subject. There is much that needs to accompany the "just say no" phase, but it can be done.

Intelligent people don't use drugs. Yes, "some" people over the centuries have been users and that is too bad. They destroy much of their potential to protect their health, including mental health. Drugs have destroyed countries. I don't think we want to see America destroyed, but it will happen if "we the people" don't wake up and stop the foolish mentality that prevails in society today.

In America drug users diminish tremendously (the more drugs the worse it is) their opportunity to live a wonderful life that America offers to all of those who are responsible and pursue the opportunities this country offers.
Intellingent people do use drugs. Look at Carl Sagan, Watson or Crick, can't remember which one, Bill Gates... I would say there's nothing wrong with safe, nonaddictive use of many drugs, just like it's not really a problem with alcohol, as long as it's kept in check.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:37 PM
 
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I'm sorry for your attitude, but having been raised during generations that knew better and ostracized from their lives those few that were dumb enough to get hooked on drugs, I know that education of the bad consequences of drug use starting with the very young will bring back the understanding of the reasons youngsters should never start with drugs.
Wonderful, yet there is plenty of professionals like attorneys and doctors who get hooked up on drugs despite having full knowledge of consequences. Believing that anti-drug education would solve the problem is simply naive.

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Old 05-08-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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So let me see if I understand this.

A drug addict, who is perfectly willing to break into your house, steal your jewelry, television set and anything else of value to sell, pawn, trade for illegal drugs is going to suddenly get a job to support his LEGAL drug habit?

Really?

20yrsinBranson
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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So let me see if I understand this.

A drug addict, who is perfectly willing to break into your house, steal your jewelry, television set and anything else of value to sell, pawn, trade for illegal drugs is going to suddenly get a job to support his LEGAL drug habit?

Really?

20yrsinBranson
If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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First of all I doubt that this drug user is employable. Second, why would the drugs be less expensive when legal? Can't you get moonshine half the price of legitimate liquor?




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If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
But legalized drugs also means regulated drugs. Regulation means government involvement and they don't do that stuff for free. I'm not sure how much any drugs cost now, but do you really think they'll be cheaper when regulated and taxed?
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
Phil, let me guess. You don't know any hard-core drug users do you? I mean the kind that will bash you in the head with a tire iron for $8 to get a fix. Nah, I didn't think so.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
Legalized pot in Colorado is no less expensive that when it was illegal. To combat that those selling illegal pot have dropped their prices some but that would still be a crime.

Heroin is already cheap but yet many have to depend on illegal activities to curb their growing appetite.
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Old 05-09-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: California
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If he can get a job, it's more likely he will stop turning to crime to support his now much less expensive hobby.
The problem with your scenario is that he/she will probably not get a job for the simple reason that when drenching the brain in drugs one diminishes drive and capacity to use logic and responsibility...those areas of the brain are "altered" with drug use, the amount depending on each individual's physical genetic makeup.

We tried for years to hire those problem people who couldn't stay away from drugs hoping we could lead them to a better life. We finally had to give up since they were not worth what we paid them and they were often dangerous to other workers on the job.
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