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Old 05-13-2014, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Then we deal with it. No sense in letting millions more starve and/or die around the world because of hypotheticals. CLimate change is the way the wealthy class get the Left to vote against their interests in the form of "saving the planet", this is no different from poor and working class Republicans voting against their own interests in the name for "freedom"
You are referring to what?
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:13 PM
 
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You are referring to what?
Carbon tax, expensive green energy that isn't proven to reliably work or replace coal. This will impact the poor and working classes the most. It's green austerity and a stealth attack on the social safety net.
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Carbon tax, expensive green energy that isn't proven to reliably work or replace coal. This will impact the poor and working classes the most. It's green austerity and a stealth attack on the social safety net.
The carbon tax is nothing more than a copout without really dealing with any actual problems.

As for green energy, harvesting energy from renewable sources makes sense because the source is actually renewable. As for a "stealth attack on the social safety nets," you lost me with that connection, maybe you can try and explain the connection you are trying to make.
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Carbon tax, expensive green energy that isn't proven to reliably work or replace coal. This will impact the poor and working classes the most. It's green austerity and a stealth attack on the social safety net.
You are totally wrong...We have a carbon tax here in BC and it is actually putting money in the pockets of the middle income earners and the poor and at the same time reducing the amount of carbon we are emitting..It helps to know what you are taking about before making such misinformed statements...
BC Carbon Tax: A Big Winner for People, Climate and the Economy Study Shows | DeSmog Canada

We also have an affordable green energy program.... Solar Colwood - We're saving energy at home, at work and on the road.
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:46 AM
 
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According to these two teams that miraculously published identical reports in the same week ..... this catastrophic Melting has begun and it is "unstoppable" now. Done Deal. Nothing we can do now - Unstoppable.

Wow ..... it happened so fast. Just last September, the articles from the Scientists were about the increasing Antarctic Ice and the ships that were stuck for weeks that were trying to see it.

Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record large extent for a second straight year, baffling scientists seeking to understand why this ice is expanding rather than shrinking in a warming world. - Washington Post

That is an amazing turn around in just 8 months .... 8 months of Winter. Unstoppable Melting.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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According to these two teams that miraculously published identical reports in the same week ..... this catastrophic Melting has begun and it is "unstoppable" now. Done Deal. Nothing we can do now - Unstoppable.

Wow ..... it happened so fast. Just last September, the articles from the Scientists were about the increasing Antarctic Ice and the ships that were stuck for weeks that were trying to see it.

Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record large extent for a second straight year, baffling scientists seeking to understand why this ice is expanding rather than shrinking in a warming world. - Washington Post

That is an amazing turn around in just 8 months .... 8 months of Winter. Unstoppable Melting.
Perhaps this link will help:

Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?

It explains the difference between 'land ice' and 'sea ice'.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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OP, you cannot stop the ice burgs from melting, or the Antartic, it's been going on for years now, and seriously, as of yet, humans cannot figure out how to stop it.

OP, weather happens in cycles, if you look back into history, since the World began you had ice ages, giant floods, huge meteors and volcanos and tornadoes change the whole structure and face of this earth. Nothing man can do will change it....unfortunately, and that is the truth. Is it wise to go green, yes, it surely helps things, but is one very small grain of sand on an endless beach. Yanno, humans can do good things, but some always take it way over to the other end of the spectrum....until it becomes fantasy....
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Looks like we've got some time to deal with it, but no sense in piddling around with something this serious.
So how are you going to deal with it?
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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You are totally wrong...We have a carbon tax here in BC and it is actually putting money in the pockets of the middle income earners and the poor and at the same time reducing the amount of carbon we are emitting..It helps to know what you are taking about before making such misinformed statements...
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We also have an affordable green energy program.... Solar Colwood - We're saving energy at home, at work and on the road.
Green energy is only affordable to those who get it. The tax payers subsidize it, so yes, it does increase their cost of living. Nobody would buy green energy if they had to pay the entire bill.

That's why Australia threw their carbon tax program out.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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As for green energy, harvesting energy from renewable sources makes sense because the source is actually renewable.
It makes sense only because other people have to pay for your green energy.
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