35,000 Walruses come ashore in Alaska - lack of sea ice (generation, bias)

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

Actually they live in the water and haul out on land and ice, which ecosystem is becoming rare?

The haul out of 30,000 is not uncommon:

Fay, F.H. and B.P. Kelly. 1980. Mass Natural Mortality Of Walruses

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by OICU812

The haul out of 30,000 is not uncommon:

Fay, F.H. and B.P. Kelly. 1980. Mass Natural Mortality Of Walruses

The answer was Ice, I was asking which is becoming rare. Your article has to do with hauling out on land.

[Ed from California]

The Church of Global Warming cultists are strong in this thread. It would be funny if they weren't so fanatical. The best thing we could do for their claim of AGW is rid the world of them.

[TrapperJohn]

Originally Posted by Ed from California

Obviously the fault of the republican house of representatives.

Oh, and SUV's.

Oh, and Sarah Palin.

And the Evil Koch Brothers. They fund it all.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by Ed from California

Obviously the fault of the republican house of representatives.

Oh, and SUV's.

Oh, and Sarah Palin.

You do know that claiming global warming is manmade or stating that the global warming is a fact are two different things, don't you?

Are you denying the planet is warming?

Well, Palin does put out a lot of hot air, but I seriously doubt even she is capable of warming the planet

[Ed from California]

You're doing that fine all by yourself.

[wildflower82]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

You do know that claiming global warming is manmade or stating that the global warming is a fact are two different things, don't you?

Are you denying the planet is warming?

Well, Palin does put out a lot of hot air, but I seriously doubt even she is capable of warming the planet

I find this interesting:If Earth has warmed and cooled throughout history, what makes scientists think that humans are causing global warming now? : Climate Q&A : Blogs

Finally, scientists know that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and that it is released into the air when coal and other fossil fuels burn. Paleoclimate data show that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are higher than they have been in the past 800,000 years. There is no plausible explanation for why such high levels of carbon dioxide would not cause the planet to warm.

Nobody is talking about COKE or any of these things, just that coal is the problem: Carbon dioxide is used as a refrigerant, in fire extinguishers, for inflating life rafts and life jackets, blasting coal, foaming rubber and plastics, promoting the growth of plants in greenhouses, immobilizing animals before slaughter, and in carbonated beverages.

carbon dioxide (chemical compound) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds

I find this interesting:If Earth has warmed and cooled throughout history, what makes scientists think that humans are causing global warming now? : Climate Q&A : Blogs

Finally, scientists know that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and that it is released into the air when coal and other fossil fuels burn. Paleoclimate data show that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are higher than they have been in the past 800,000 years. There is no plausible explanation for why such high levels of carbon dioxide would not cause the planet to warm.

Nobody is talking about COKE or any of these things, just that coal is the problem: Carbon dioxide is used as a refrigerant, in fire extinguishers, for inflating life rafts and life jackets, blasting coal, foaming rubber and plastics, promoting the growth of plants in greenhouses, immobilizing animals before slaughter, and in carbonated beverages.

carbon dioxide (chemical compound) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

There is one problem with the blog you posted: The ice-age has not ended. We have been experiencing a continuous ice-age for the last 2.58 million years, with brief interglacial periods in between long periods of glaciation. We just happen to be reaching the end of the 15,000 year long Holocene Interglacial Period.

Carbon dioxide is indeed a "greenhouse gas," however, the burning of coal and other fossil fuels is a tiny fraction of where the bulk of the CO2 originates - the oceans.

All a "greenhouse gas" means is that the element retains heat and causes radiative forcing. Water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide are all "greenhouse gases." Water vapor causes the most radiative forcing at 96%, CO2 causes less than 4% radiative forcing, and methane - while retaining 25 times more heat than CO2, there is only ~1,800 ppb in the atmosphere - causes less than 1% radiative forcing, and the radiative forcing caused by nitrous oxide is negligible.

The overwhelming primary source of all radiative forcing caused by "greenhouse gases" is water vapor.

There is also the erroneous assumption that global warming is a "bad" thing, when history tells us exactly the opposite. A warmer and wetter climate has fewer deserts and more arable land, like what existed just prior to the beginning of this ice-age 2.58 million years ago

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by Ultor

Warmanistas also allude Susan Crockford kicks her puppy and wears cat fur slippers... but what does that have to do with the 1972 and 1978 haul outs (both of which abundant sea ice was available) she highlighted in her post?

It's fall, walrus migrate south ahead of the ice and warmists jump every shark they see.

Sorry but it's hard to take a blogger seriously, especially one that is funded by right wing organizations.

I stopped at her first paragraph since she offers nothing in the way of external factors like maybe sea ice. She claims to be a scientist right maybe she could offer some research or facts? Sounds like she went straight from theory to conclusion

Large haulouts of walruses — such as the one making news at Point Lay, Alaska on the Chukchi Sea (and which happened before back in 2009) — are not a new phenomenon for this
region over the last 45 years and thus cannot be due to low sea ice levels

[wildflower82]

Originally Posted by Glitch

There is one problem with the blog you posted: The ice-age has not ended. We have been experiencing a continuous ice-age for the last 2.58 million years, with brief interglacial periods in between long periods of glaciation. We just happen to be reaching the end of the 15,000 year long Holocene Interglacial Period.

Carbon dioxide is indeed a "greenhouse gas," however, the burning of coal and other fossil fuels is a tiny fraction of where the bulk of the CO2 originates - the oceans.

All a "greenhouse gas" means is that the element retains heat and causes radiative forcing. Water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide are all "greenhouse gases." Water vapor causes the most radiative forcing at 96%, CO2 causes less than 4% radiative forcing, and methane - while retaining 25 times more heat than CO2, there is only ~1,800 ppb in the atmosphere - causes less than 1% radiative forcing, and the radiative forcing caused by nitrous oxide is negligible.

The overwhelming primary source of all radiative forcing caused by "greenhouse gases" is water vapor.

There is also the erroneous assumption that global warming is a "bad" thing, when history tells us exactly the opposite. A warmer and wetter climate has fewer deserts and more arable land, like what existed just prior to the beginning of this ice-age 2.58 million years ago

This is what I was getting at......coal is not the ONLY problem! As we see soda drinks that most people drink and plastic bottles to carry all that polluted mineral water is just as bad if not more.