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I think the point is what they would do with the oil coming through Keystone pipeline.
True and definitely the trend is for more oil to be exported than in the past.. Having said that, don't you think it'll still come to gulf coast refineries via other means ie.. rail and ultimately be exported anyway? I'm not sure if you're aware of Lac Megantic but man - rail is a pretty crappy way to transport. Irregardless, point is over the next two decades it is still highly likely that the U.S will consume more oil it imports from Canada than will be exported to foreign lands..
The good thing is - if there is middle east instability that oil can be quickly redirected where needed right here within our own stable governed democracies as opposed to a very unpredictable part of the world... something to consider!
We can talk about tar sand oil being dirty and a pain and expensive to refine all we want but truth is at the end of the day most of it is consumed by Americans to meet demand. The only way you are going to change it collectively as a nation is to radically shift your consumption of oil.. The choice is ultimately up to the U.S as a nation.. Has nothing to do with Canada.
Unless that is all tar sand oil I'm not sure you have a point.
Ok, so why are we getting oil from canada and still importing oil from OPEC countries ? Also would the pipeline actually do anything for us considering we already get oil from canada? Also the oil we get from canada is what would be called "dirty" oil
It is simple - because of how much you consume.. Canada can't take care of all your consumption on a per day basis but it certainly does more so than any other nation by far.. As a matter of fact you import almost as much oil from us as ALL OPEC nations combined..
The U.S produces 8-9 million barrels per day (which is incredible in its own right).. but still consumes 18-19 million barrels per day.. If you import 3.25 million from Canada you still need to import from other countries to meet your own demand.
Ok, so why are we getting oil from canada and still importing oil from OPEC countries ?
Because it's a competitive marketplace and oil is purchased by private companies not by the government. OPEC oil is cheaper than fracking and tar sands oil, even when it's price is high. By setting low prices OPEC is making fracking and tar sands oil less profitable or even unprofitable.
Because it's a competitive marketplace and oil is purchased by private companies not by the government. OPEC oil is cheaper than fracking and tar sands oil, even when it's price is high. By setting low prices OPEC is making fracking and tar sands oil less profitable or even unprofitable.
She voted yes and it was allowed for a vote, I think that was their plan rather than actually pass the bill. Call me a conspiracy theorist but that's my take.
I'm not sure how that really helps her win the election though. Is the argument supposed to be that her republican opponent would have voted against it? The best it does it make the pipeline a wash politically speaking, but the GOP gains of late have not been due to the pipeline issue anyway.
The liberals up in arms over this amuse me because the environmental impact will be quite small.
The conservatives up in arms over this amuse me because the economic benefits will be quite small.
Much ado about nothing. Just a flip a coin to build/not build, it's not very important either way.
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You hit the nail on the head. It is neither the benefit nor the detriment that the partisans have turned it into. It makes you wonder why they took some strong stances on it. Maybe because there is really little to lose or gain either way other than whipping up their respective bases.
I've given these 2 comments more thought....
Sadly - I think you're both right. I'm definitely guilty of heated debate on KXL.
Somewhat off-topic but it sometimes seems easier to scream at each other on CD than admit BOTH parties on MOST issues have failed us all.
If this is capitalism, it sure feels corporate to me.
I'm not sure how that really helps her win the election though. Is the argument supposed to be that her republican opponent would have voted against it? The best it does it make the pipeline a wash politically speaking, but the GOP gains of late have not been due to the pipeline issue anyway.
Her opponent co-sponsored the bill. It was more about her trying to 'prove' that she's not an Obama yes man. However, that ship has sailed. I think her track record is around 90% of the time she voted yes on Obama policies.
Here's why the Keystone Pipeline 'debate' is silly. They're going to move this oil anyway but by rail and truck which are far more dangerous to move oil than the proposed pipeline. At this point, the left really is tilting at windmills to oppose this.
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