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Old 12-02-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Yeah - we can have it like the VA...

LOL... thanks for the laugh.
The VA handles war veterans, and as such their system incurs negative impacts when we go to war.

I would prefer a system like the British NHS
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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We desperately need health reform. Now more than ever before.

Thanks, Dems. Thanks for nothing.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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They are not the only ones. Atena will likely be the next one to bail, and that probably in 2016.
Both Aetna, and Anthem have said that the ACA business is performing in line with projections. Both have backed their earning forecasts for this year.

So reality kinda says you are wrong.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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Call me crazy, but I think American health outcomes should be a higher priority than health insurer profit margins and dividend rates.
It's too bad no one thought of this back in 09.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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Call me crazy, but I think American health outcomes should be a higher priority than health insurer profit margins and dividend rates.
Rarely talked about, but the ACA actually did have parts of the law that dealt with improving that. They aren't talked about much because they're working pretty well.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Bingo.

Obamacare wouldn't have even been necessary if the healthcare companies weren't raking in massive profits, year after year.

Then it sounds like they need to be put back into the non-profit status, like they began.
Some politician saw $$$$$$$$$ signs. and made it for profit, to make a buck.(Nixon)
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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WHICH the CEO took home in his pocket.
Have to laugh at fools who think the CEO gets all a corporation's profits.

Guess who gets the profits? The millions of American workers and retirees who have $24.7 Trillion invested in their pension plans and retirement accounts:

ICI Measures Retirement Assets at $24.7 Trillion

Eliminating corporate profits will make it impossible for many to ever even retire at all. Foolish plan.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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It's too bad no one thought of this back in 09.
As I recall, they kind of did think of it .... it was one of the big criticisms. But a single-payer system was taken off the table because the lobbyists for hospitals and health insurers didn't like it.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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The VA handles war veterans, and as such their system incurs negative impacts when we go to war.

I would prefer a system like the British NHS
Interesting...

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"The NHS plans to dramatically increase rationing of patients’ access to care and treatment in an effort to balance its books, a new survey of health bosses reveals.

...Smokers and those who are obese will be among those denied surgery and other treatment, according to a survey of 80 CCG leaders conducted by the Health Service Journal, in an extension of the controversial policy of “lifestyle rationing”.
NHS to 'extend rationing' of healthcare in bid to balance books | Society

Do you think American smokers and the obese would be willing to have their medical treatment denied? The poor smoke disproportionately and have higher obesity rates. So, guess what would happen...
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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Have to laugh at fools who think the CEO gets all a corporation's profits.

Guess who gets the profits? The millions of American workers and retirees who have $24.7 Trillion invested in their pension plans and retirement accounts:

ICI Measures Retirement Assets at $24.7 Trillion

Eliminating corporate profits will make it impossible for many to ever even retire at all. Foolish plan.
and the top 25 hedge fund managers in 2013 made 24.3 billion. Hmmmmm

the MEDIAN retirement savings of working americans is less then 60K.

And thats for those who have any savings whatsoever.

By far the massive numbers you provide are a "estimate" that to be honest may very well have posted the information that you go on about as a way of making a non-factually based argument look like its based on reality. ICI lobbies on behalf of investment companies. You're using propoganda in place of factual research. Why would you do that?

Ohhh...to misinform
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