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Old 12-14-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Fear driven idiots !

 
Old 12-14-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If it can happen in San Diego, it can happen in less advanced societies in the South.

Mick
Wow, amazes me how people show how bigoted and pompous they are.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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Kind of sad and ironic when you consider that Sikhs and Hindus have undergone relentless persecution from Islamists. If you have the stomach, read up on the events that occurred during the Partition of India. Thousands of Hindus and Sikhs were butchered with knives and swords, dismembered while alive, women raped, even the children were not spared. Men were emasculated and castrated, and the traditional knives that Sikhs carry for self-defense (kirpans) were used by Muslim mobs to mutilate the genitals and internal organs of Sikh women they "conquered". This stuff will give you nightmares if you read up on it. It's just so ironic that Americans have to add insult to injury by confusing Sikhs for Muslims. When did the U.S wake up to the threat of radical Islam? Probably within the last twenty years or so. That's nothing, considering the fact that Islamists were terrorizing India a thousand years ago. Buddhists were not spared either; the famous Nalanda University was burned to the ground by Islamists.
Hardly any Muslims wear turbans outside Afghanistan, and none wear turbans in the style worn by Sikhs.

American pop culture has done immense cultural damage by insinuating that Islamists wear turbans and brown-skinned. The average Islamist (if there is such a thing) does not wear a turban and is not always brown-skinned. Some Chechens and Syrians actually look very European.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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the Sikh religion has been around a relatively short time and as I fear that we may be heading torwards greater conflict with Islam, maybe the Sikhs should consider going to a new hat.
It doesn't look like you understand either religion very well. Turbans are definitive of Sikhism, not Islam. Islamists don't have the characteristic appearance that defines Sikh men (turbans) or many traditional Hindu women (sari, red dot). The Islamic preachers may have beards and wear white caps similar to the Jewish kippah, but the ones who carry out attacks tend to blend in very well for very obvious reasons. The MORE odd they look relative to your idea of what a typical American should look like, the LESS likely they are to be Muslims. I don't even understand how anyone can confuse a Sikh turban for Muslim headgear - turbans scream "Sikh" just as a cross screams "Christian".
 
Old 12-14-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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the Sikh religion has been around a relatively short time and as I fear that we may be heading torwards greater conflict with Islam, maybe the Sikhs should consider going to a new hat.

Hold up there; the Sikh religion dictates that their hair cannot be shorn or cut. The turban is merely a traditional method of keeping all that hair contained. The turban is NOT a part of their religion. Various Sikh sects use different designs of turbans to contain their hair.

The most familiar Sikh presence to the north American continent is the Turban that evolved from their historical prevalence in the fabric dying trade. With long hair and beards they were ending their work day with what you could imagine as technicolour facial and scalp hair unless they found some way of containing their beards and hair to keep it out of the dye vats.

The trimmed off irregular ends of the dyed fabric bolts of cloth, when wound a certain way around their scalp contained their hair successfully for the long work day......hence the traditional aspect of what has come to be deemed 'religious' in nature when in fact it is merely tradition in the same way a pair of sandals has been deemed regular garb for Jesus.

Sikh's know this and will readily admit it when questioned about the religious versus traditional aspect of the Turban with some of them able to doff the thing because they've carefully wound it and fixed together with hairpins so it can be removed like a hat and replaced just as easily.

Way back in the early 60's, dockyard commissioners (security guards) at Esquimalt RCN naval base in Canada were Sikhs and they would join us in the Tudor House pup for a couple of draft beers and in those days it was a requirement hats be removed when entering any restaurant or pub, they would enter and take off their turban to put it on a shelf just inside the door with all the other hats to then sit and drink an alcoholic beverage with the rest of us military personnel and later, when leaving, put their turban back on just like any other hat.

Now that they've managed to access the political correctness of their host countries to convince them the turban is religious in nature... voila ....they are now able to wear them as RCMP officers, motorcycle cops and any number of instances in contradiction to OUR traditions and laws.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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Hold up there; the Sikh religion dictates that their hair cannot be shorn or cut. The turban is merely a traditional method of keeping all that hair contained. The turban is NOT a part of their religion. Various Sikh sects use different designs of turbans to contain their hair.

The most familiar Sikh presence to the north American continent is the Turban that evolved from their historical prevalence in the fabric dying trade. With long hair and beards they were ending their work day with what you could imagine as technicolour facial and scalp hair unless they found some way of containing their beards and hair to keep it out of the dye vats.

The trimmed off irregular ends of the dyed fabric bolts of cloth, when wound a certain way around their scalp contained their hair successfully for the long work day......hence the traditional aspect of what has come to be deemed 'religious' in nature when in fact it is merely tradition in the same way a pair of sandals has been deemed regular garb for Jesus.

Sikh's know this and will readily admit it when questioned about the religious versus traditional aspect of the Turban with some of them able to doff the thing because they've carefully wound it and fixed together with hairpins so it can be removed like a hat and replaced just as easily.

Way back in the early 60's, dockyard commissioners (security guards) at Esquimalt RCN naval base in Canada were Sikhs and they would join us in the Tudor House pup for a couple of draft beers and in those days it was a requirement hats be removed when entering any restaurant or pub, they would enter and take off their turban to put it on a shelf just inside the door with all the other hats to then sit and drink an alcoholic beverage with the rest of us military personnel and later, when leaving, put their turban back on just like any other hat.

Now that they've managed to access the political correctness of their host countries to convince them the turban is religious in nature... voila ....they are now able to wear them as RCMP officers, motorcycle cops and any number of instances in contradiction to OUR traditions and laws.
And none of that means any Sikh should be willing to remove his turban for a rent-a-cop at a sports arena.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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the Sikh religion has been around a relatively short time and as I fear that we may be heading torwards greater conflict with Islam, maybe the Sikhs should consider going to a new hat.

Or maybe muzzies should change theirs. But that would require an accommodation.


El Nox
 
Old 12-14-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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If it can happen in San Diego, it can happen in less advanced societies in the South.

Mick
Do I hear elitism speaking here?


El Nox
 
Old 12-14-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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They could have been carrying weapons or bomb stuff in their turbans. Here in Chicago, if you want to bring in a bag, it has to be clear. If they have a rule about things like that, it makes sense. Too bad they got offended. I'd rather them be offended, than put in danger the hundreds of other people. If they had nothing to hide, they would understand its for the general public's safety. Same as them not removing their face veil for I.D.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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They could have been carrying weapons or bomb stuff in their turbans. Here in Chicago, if you want to bring in a bag, it has to be clear. If they have a rule about things like that, it makes sense. Too bad they got offended. I'd rather them be offended, than put in danger the hundreds of other people. If they had nothing to hide, they would understand its for the general public's safety. Same as them not removing their face veil for I.D.
You could be carrying something in your junk. Or your shoes. Would you be upset if they asked you to remove all of your clothes? Just sayin'.
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