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Old 06-27-2016, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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The last gasp of the regressive Supreme Court...

Justice Kennedy increasingly sides with Justices Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan. Soon Justice Garland - or, possibly, an even more liberal Justice nominated in his stead by President Clinton - will join them.

Justice Ginsberg will very likely retire during the term of President Clinton. Her replacement will not change the makeup of the high court, but it will lock that seat away from the regressives until the year 2040 or beyond.

Justice Kennedy turns 80 in less than a month. While he sides with the liberal Justices more often than he used to, he still joins the regressive block frequently - he, too, will probably be replaced with a liberal Justice under President Clinton.

Then there are the reports that Justice Thomas will retire after the election.

The tide is turning...
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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The last gasp of the regressive Supreme Court...

Justice Kennedy increasingly sides with Justices Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan. Soon Justice Garland - or, possibly, an even more liberal Justice nominated in his stead by President Clinton - will join them.

Justice Ginsberg will very likely retire during the term of President Clinton. Her replacement will not change the makeup of the high court, but it will lock that seat away from the regressives until the year 2040 or beyond.

Justice Kennedy turns 80 in less than a month. While he sides with the liberal Justices more often than he used to, he still joins the regressive block frequently - he, too, will probably be replaced with a liberal Justice under President Clinton.

Then there are the reports that Justice Thomas will retire after the election.

The tide is turning...
You are putting the cart before the horse when you speak of "President" Clinton. There is a lot that can happen between now and November. Afterall there is that little FBI invesigation that hasn't been settled yet. Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on your part.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:11 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You are putting the cart before the horse when you speak of "President" Clinton. There is a lot that can happen between now and November. Afterall there is that little FBI invesigation that hasn't been settled yet. Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on your part.
President Clinton, President Sanders or President Biden. Any of those three could beat the Republican nominee.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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It sounds like you need to a) probably keep it in your pants a lot more and b) use protection. If you want to avoid the whole messy affair of fertility, let your own solution begin at home ... in your own pants.

FYI I didn't have children until my wife and I both wanted and could afford them.

I know.........that must be such an odd, foreign concept to you.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Don't have sex with women and you'll find yourself free and clear of the whole sordid mess.


It's not reasonable to expect me to control myself.......

Isn't that the argument you Lib's use?
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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As a christian and quasi messanic my view regarding abortion still basically stands, ( pro life), but as I deal with some variables . I 'm left ( especially as a guy) without a remedy within certain issues including the following:

1 self abortion ( where the woman is lacking transportation and funds to even travel to distant clinics
( naturally I wish the entire scenario was unnecessary. ). This is a risky situation.

2. Complications associated with even doctors who have privileges at a hospital . Infection and
systemic sepsis . I do concede that the hospital provides sterilization , but if inspected peripheral
locations can qualify for similar standards. In the past some of the rogue docs didn't eve use
gloves!! They were addicted to drugs, alcohol, sex offenders many on observed probation.

3. Since we cannot control abortions based on our religious convictions alone and the abortion is
inevitable then my christian view is make sure it is performed correctly and monitored. This does not
mean I condon abortion , but a safe haven must be provided for woman otherwise at risk.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Because once a man's has ejaculated, he's no longer part of the equation? You're the one wanting to have your cake and eat it, too.


You don't get it.

Once a man has had sex, he only remains as much a part of the equation as the woman wants him to.

If she decides arbitrarily to have an abortion, she is cutting him out of the equation.

So, if it's a woman's "right" to treat the father like a test tube, why should he have any more responsibility than one?
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In the biggest reproductive rights case since Casey, Texas law HB2 - which required that abortion providers have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles and that abortion providers adhere to the same requirements as for outpatient surgical providers.

Of course, these requirements had no purpose whatsoever other than to make providing and obtaining an abortion more expensive and more of a hassle.

Justice Breyer authored the majority opinion in the 5-3 case, which broke along predictable lines.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...5-274_p8k0.pdf
No.

Let's forget about abortion for a second and just look at the laws themselves.

From a patient safety standpoint and from the standpoint of not making the lives of every emergency department'S personnel a total nightmare, it is imperative that physicians who perform invasive procedures have an admitting hospital so that they themselves can take care of the complications that arise from these procedures.

I'm not even talking about abortions. I think this should be true across the board. You have no idea what kind of problems this causes.

Yes, in all likelihood this law was made to be obstructionist to abortions. But frankly it is actually a really good idea. I wish it was the law for every "outpatient" procedure. So the rest of us aren't left holding the bag.

And, as a total aside and PSA...FTLOG, would you people who have surgeries or established specialists at one hospital quit going to random ERs for problems related to what they've been treating???!! At best, you're going to get delayed care. At worst, you're going to get a lengthy and expensive transfer that risks your health, costs thousands more for no reason, and risks the lives the other patients in the emergency department who have to wait while your complicated transfer process is being arranged. Go back to original hospital. Please!!!
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Abortion is an unpleasant procedure to think about or discuss, but from a medical standpoint it's just a procedure - much like removing a wisdom tooth, a mole, cataracts, or an infected big toenail.
consider it just from the medical standpoint. If you can, and compare procedures, it should be patently obvious what an overreach this law was.
Um, no.

In the 60,000+ patients I have seen in my career, not one has ever come in in extremis secondary to mole removal or cataract surgery.

I consider this very much from a medical standpoint.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: DFW
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No.

Let's forget about abortion for a second and just look at the laws themselves.

From a patient safety standpoint and from the standpoint of not making the lives of every emergency department'S personnel a total nightmare, it is imperative that physicians who perform invasive procedures have an admitting hospital so that they themselves can take care of the complications that arise from these procedures.

I'm not even talking about abortions. I think this should be true across the board. You have no idea what kind of problems this causes.

Yes, in all likelihood this law was made to be obstructionist to abortions. But frankly it is actually a really good idea. I wish it was the law for every "outpatient" procedure. So the rest of us aren't left holding the bag.
Great post ER Doctor Stan4. Spoken like someone I would want taking care of me if needed.
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