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Poor analogy. She didn't hand him a loaded gun. She wasn't even in the same vicinity. That's what makes this charge wrong. She couldn't have forced him to get into that car from a distance even if she had wanted to. He chose to do that himself.
Oh, brother.
I don't think it is a poor analogy. Both people are suicidal. By asking him to go back to the truck is the equivalent of handling him a gun and ask him to complete the suicide.
eye rolling might be effective, it is not really a good counter argument.
I don't think it is a poor analogy. Both people are suicidal.
And one put the instrument of death in their hands, and the other didn't. Unless you are suggesting that she somehow was able to reach through the phone and shove him into the truck, he did that all by himself. Where is his responsibility?
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Eye rolling might be effective, it is not really a good counter argument.
And one put the instrument of death in their hands, and the other didn't. Unless you are suggesting that she somehow was able to reach through the phone and shove him into the truck, he did that all by himself. Where is his responsibility?
What are you talking about?
My example is this,
Say person A has a girlfriend who is suicidal and person A knew this for a fact. He handed her a gun and told her, "just pull the trigger and all your pain would be over." She used that gun to end her life.
Is Person A guilty of anything?
well, that is a clear case of criminally negligent homicide, aka involuntary manslaughter. It is very different from telling somebody to drop dead.
Say person A has a girlfriend who is suicidal and person A knew this for a fact. He handed her a gun and told her, "just pull the trigger and all your pain would be over." She used that gun to end her life.
Is Person A guilty of anything?
Did person A pull the trigger? Did person A demand person B pull the trigger? When someone takes their own life it is their choice. It's tragic, but it is still a choice.
Michelle Carter was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter following the 2014 death of her friend after sending him a series of text messages urging him to commit suicide. She was 17 years old at the time of the incident.
Did person A pull the trigger? Did person A demand person B pull the trigger? When someone takes their own life it is their choice. It's tragic, but it is still a choice.
well, a mother accidentally burned her baby to death is also a tragedy, but mostly likely, she would still be charged with a crime.
You are not wrong and I am not disagreeing with you.
However, In that ruling, the court found that Carter’s “virtual presence” at the time of the suicide and the “constant pressure” she had placed on Roy, who was in a delicate mental state, were enough proof for an involuntary manslaughter charge.
The bottom line is not "he would have killed himself no matter what she would have said or didn't say."
The bottom line is that she encouraged a suicidal person to complete his suicide (by asking him to go back to his truck). It is almost like the giving a 2 year old a loaded gun scenario.
Let's say person A's girlfriend is suicidal and person A knew this for a fact. Person A gave the girlfriend a loaded gun and told her, "just pull the trigger and you would be free from all the pain." The girlfriend ended up died. That is not criminally negligent homicide?
Probably in Mass. it would, but not necessarily everywhere. But this girl didn't give him any weapon or tool to use. She encouraged him with words only. It is a dangerous precedent to call this manslaughter.
Probably in Mass. it would, but not necessarily everywhere. But this girl didn't give him any weapon or tool to use. She encouraged him with words only. It is a dangerous precedent to call this manslaughter.
I can see your point, but she was charged with Involuntary Manslaughter, not manslaughter.
So he had no choice but to obey? Did she have psychic powers that enabled her to force him to do what she said? Or did he make that choice to return to the truck himself?
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