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None, nobody would do that, she was a very sick individual. It's the "Go kill yourself then" ones that I'm concerned about. I never witnessed anyone say that, but I can see it happening. The guilt and blame game was so heavy in that room, I still think about those people. Anyway, hopefully the courts can sort any future cases out correctly. Sorry about your loss, I did not read through all the replies.
Oh absolutely! I understand your point completely and I do agree with you.
After all, the VERY FIRST THING i learned from my suicide survivor support group is that, "Suicide is a complicated issue, no one is to blame."
This said, like a poster pointed out in the beginning of the thread,
This isn't a simple, "oh go kill yourself ffs" type comment. This was a systematic attempt to break someone down and encourage them to kill themselves so she could benefit. What happened is beyond ****ed up it was criminal. The intent to have someone kill themselves and then systematically mentally assaulting them to make sure it happens is most certainly criminal.
Couples fight all the time. People say things they don't mean to say all the time; We should all forgive ourselves sometimes. But this is just not one of those scenarios.
Oh absolutely! I understand your point completely and I do agree with you.
After all, the VERY FIRST THING i learned from my suicide survivor support group is that, "Suicide is a complicated issue, no one is to blame."
This said, like a poster pointed out in the beginning of the thread,
This isn't a simple, "oh go kill yourself ffs" type comment. This was a systematic attempt to break someone down and encourage them to kill themselves so she could benefit. What happened is beyond ****ed up it was criminal. The intent to have someone kill themselves and then systematically mentally assaulting them to make sure it happens is most certainly criminal.
Couples fight all the time. People say things they don't mean to say all the time; We should all forgive ourselves sometimes. But this is just not one of those scenarios.
First, I am very sorry for all you have been through. I have never had to deal with suicide first hand, and thankful for that. That said, you are correct. She encouraged him endlessly to take his own life to benefit herself. That is evil and I believe evil should be illegal and punished.
Now my husband, a litigator, disagrees. He says evil is not illegal. And she is evil but did nothing illegal.
I say, even if she wins on appeal, she will suffer. And it's well deserved. Hopefully, her parents care enough to get her help. Good lord she needs it.
Nobody said that, just explain to you why this woman deserves what she got.
Well, not sure why you are so unhappy with the verdict. She perhaps would be put in some kind of therapy program. I doubt she would be in jail for too long.
What she did is VERY different from the situation where angry couples telling each other to go kill yourself.
You misunderstand what has me concerned. It's not about this woman, who I agree is not a nice person. It's the precedent that will be set by convicting someone of manslaughter because someone else committed suicide. When this case is long forgotten, the case law will remain as precedent. That's why I object to this verdict. It could have future ramifications that won't be good.
well, He was IN THE MIDDLE OF going through with it when she explicitly encouraged him to continue. "Get back in" is pretty straightforward.
Keep in mind that Urging someone to join a dangerous career or taking part in a dangerous activity or tell each other "Go to hell and burn in hell" isn't the same thing as urging a person with suicidal thoughts to take their own life not once but hundreds of times. (the young man was IN THE MIDDLE OF going through with it) This is the bottom line.
What if he was in the middle of killing other people? Do you think she should have reported him to the authority?
The main reason she was charged is because she was in the middle of his suicide and she didn't do anything and she let him die.
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well, He was IN THE MIDDLE OF going through with it when she explicitly encouraged him to continue. "Get back in" is pretty straightforward.
Keep in mind that Urging someone to join a dangerous career or taking part in a dangerous activity or tell each other "Go to hell and burn in hell" isn't the same thing as urging a person with suicidal thoughts to take their own life not once but hundreds of times. (the young man was IN THE MIDDLE OF going through with it) This is the bottom line.
What if someone said "you should just kill yourself, for real" once to someone who was unbalanced or depressed. Say they really hate the person and meant it. Person does it. Is the one who said it responsible? Where do we draw the line?
What if someone said "you should just kill yourself, for real" once to someone who was unbalanced or depressed. Say they really hate the person and meant it. Person does it. Is the one who said it responsible? Where do we draw the line?
I think I have covered it already.
The bottom line is that the guy was IN THE MIDDLE OF going through with it.
We draw the line there. Normal people will not listen to somebody drawing their last breath without doing anything about it no matter how angry they are. Will you agree? She was THERE when he was in the middle of killing himself, that is really the bottom line.
We have all said something we regretted, we should all forgive ourselves. But this is just not one of those scenarios.
Matter of fact, I remember my suicide survivor support group counselor told us, "We should all forgive ourselves, couples fight all the time. We all said things we should not have said to our loves ones. But none of us was in the middle of their suicide. None of us knew."
Nobody is asking her to be a suicide expert; no one even asked her to behave herself. But the bottom line is that she was in the MIDDLE OF his suicide, she didn't do anything about it.
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