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Old 06-16-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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I understand the point you are trying to make. Believe me, I have been blamed by somebody for my boyfriend's suicide.

However, She admits in ... texts that she did nothing: She did not call the police or Mr. Roy's family" after hearing his last breaths during a phone call, Moniz said. "And finally, she did not issue a simple additional instruction: Get out of the truck.

I really do believe the bold is the deciding factor of her sentencing.

I don't think any sane person would have done what she has done
Fine, then charge her with gross negligence which is defined as: "Carelessness in reckless disregard for the safety or lives of others, which is so great it appears to be a conscious violation of other people's rights to safety."

Manslaughter is: "The crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder."

She didn't kill him, he killed himself. It's not an appropriate charge, and it could end up having very bad repercussions down the road.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Fine, then charge her with gross negligence or willful misconduct, which the law dictionary defines as: "Negligence where there is a wanton disregard of the risks concerning the circumstances, and the actor is aware of and disregards these significant risks."

Manslaughter is: "The crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder."

She didn't kill him, he killed himself. It's not an appropriate charge, and it could end up having very bad repercussions down the road.

She was charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Definition:

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally negligent homicide") is a crime in which the victim's death is unintended.

Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:

Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

add: Like I said earlier

She admits in ... texts that she did nothing: She did not call the police or Mr. Roy's family" after hearing his last breaths during a phone call, Moniz said. "And finally, she did not issue a simple additional instruction: Get out of the truck.

I really do believe the bold is the deciding factor of her sentencing. She also knew the boyfriend was mentally ill and suicidal. MOST people lost their loved ones to suicide have no clue.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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Good. I hope she get's the smallest cell with a biggest girl in the prison. 20 years isn't enough for this monster.
I don't think she'll even get 10 years.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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She was charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Definition:

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally negligent homicide") is a crime in which the victim's death is unintended.

Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:

Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.
In your own definition it says "an unintentional killing." Again, she didn't kill him. He killed himself, just as he intended to do. Charging her with any kind of manslaughter is the problem.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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In your own definition it says "an unintentional killing." Again, she didn't kill him. He killed himself, just as he intended to do. Charging her with any kind of manslaughter is the problem.
No, you read it wrong

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence

If she killed him, she would be charged with first degree murder; since he killed himself, she was charged with involuntary manslaughter aka criminally negligent homicide.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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How does one listen to last breaths via text message?
She was on the phone with him.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Let's put it this way, if somebody asked a mentally ill and extreme suicidal person to GO BACK TO YOUR TRUCK and listened to him taking his last breath, that is not criminally negligent homicide? Come on.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:37 PM
 
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In your own definition it says "an unintentional killing." Again, she didn't kill him. He killed himself, just as he intended to do. Charging her with any kind of manslaughter is the problem.
Goodness.

I find myself in agreement with you on this one.

The woman certainly has issues, and I suspect that her subscription isn't up, but she should not have been charged with manslaughter. I am however, surprised, this wasn't a jury trial.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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She was charged with involuntary manslaughter, not manslaughter. YUGE difference.

Involuntary manslaughter is also known as criminally negligent homicide. For example: giving a 2 year old a loaded gun.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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No, you read it wrong

Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence

If she killed him, she would be charged with first degree murder; since he killed himself, she was charged with involuntary manslaughter aka criminal negligence killing.
No, I read it correctly. And my point stands. She did not unintentionally kill him--he killed himself.

And now it will be case law and case law doesn't exist in a vacuum. Anyone who knows of someone who is contemplating suicide and does nothing to stop them can be held liable for involuntary manslaughter. I know you don't like this woman--neither do I--but this is a case of be careful what you wish for.
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