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Ask the Air Traffic Controllers how the union worked out for them.
It's important to search deeper for the truth. When politicians take sides in union-management disputes the union usually loses. Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers was only the opening salvo in a war on private sector unions. The war on public sector unions continues.
I have mix feelings on this subject and we have all seen the Unions driving business off shore. Union can find a place if they offer the owners of business a benefit to their business.
I know what happened, I was around then. But it's apparent that it did not cause the employees to reject unionization did it? There have been other cases where strikes were ended or avoided by government intervention that does not make unions bad or prove them to be without value, all union members know that's a possibility and no union that I'm aware of wants to go on strike but just because a union might lose a battle does not render it 'bad' or 'worthless'.
One can't give information to some people, because they posses a mentality, which states. "Don't confuse me with facts, because I already got my mind made up"....
MLK describes it best: He said, there is nothing in America, more dangerous than Conscientious Stupidity and Sincere Ignorance...
I know what happened, I was around then. But it's apparent that it did not cause the employees to reject unionization did it? .
As long as they obey the law, that is their option w/o consequences.
It is management's option , at all times, to seek alternative options, w/o consequences. The Twinkienistas found that out. Its 5 years in November for them. Hopefully there was a great market for knowing how to inject a puff of cream into an object.
BTW, I am not a UAW fan, but their margin of defeat was huge at Nissan. They only got 37% of the vote. It would be wise for them to stop futile attempts at the Southeastern plants, which pay well relative to low COL, and offer tremendous job stability.
I have mix feelings on this subject and we have all seen the Unions driving business off shore. Union can find a place if they offer the owners of business a benefit to their business.
The company I have worked for on and off for the last 30 years broke the union in Chicago in 1905.
That didn't stop them from off-shoring anything. They flowed jobs from big cities to small towns, then from state to state and later from small rural towns with lower costs of living across the border and across the Pacific. Unions never factored into it.
It is a cold calculation devoid of human interest.
Also, in response to those who seem to have the impression that people should just quit and find another job if they don't like it, depending on where you are, that may not be easy.
For instance, when my husband was in the Marine Corps, we lived in a town whose entire existance was dependent on the base. There were bars, strip clubs, gas stations, retail and motels. There was no real industry of any sort.
Therefore, civilian jobs (plus civilian jobs on base) were highly coveted not only by the residents of the town and military spouses and adult children, but from the impoverished surrounding towns inland and those on the coast with only seasonal economies.
Once you got a job, no matter how poor the conditions, at the time it was in your best interest to keep it because there was so much competition for every available job. I knew women with masters degrees working almost minimum wage retail jobs. The employers knew they yielded the power and many took advantage.
There are other cities in the U.S where I'm sure circumstances are similar.
Unions would have really, really helped in a town like that one.
As long as they obey the law, that is their option w/o consequences.
It is management's option , at all times, to seek alternative options, w/o consequences. The Twinkienistas found that out. Its 5 years in November for them. Hopefully there was a great market for knowing how to inject a puff of cream into an object.
I didn't matter much what the union did and they knew it, automation was going to happen irregardless and the payroll has been reduced from 8,000 employees to 1,100. The other thing was they gained the ability to make those nasty globs of grease with a 2 month shelf life rather than one week, so that meant they could produce larger quantities at a time and do so nationally rather than regionally. And to be honest, far fewer people are willing to eat that crap than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
I didn't matter much what the union did and they knew it, automation was going to happen irregardless and the payroll has been reduced from 8,000 employees to 1,100. The other thing was they gained the ability to make those nasty globs of grease with a 2 month shelf life rather than one week, so that meant they could produce larger quantities at a time and do so nationally rather than regionally. And to be honest, far fewer people are willing to eat that crap than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
Wonder how the 18,500 fired Twinkienistas are doing? Did "I can inject cream in a filling" impress hiring managers?
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