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Ok, fair enough for Americans in the United States.
But what about Americans trying to determine the outcome in another nation that isn't ours? That's not arrogance?
I'm pretty sure there are Afghan leaders who are happy to have American money and Americans fighting the Taliban and al Qaeda for them, so it's not that different. Sure, the establishment is arrogant and entitled, I don't disagree.
I'm juss sayin...isn't the opinion of an Afghan shopkeeper more important than even the opinion of the POTUS, who ain't even from Afghanistan?
Has it ever dawned on the American people that they want us to get the hell out of their country and leave them to their own matters? If your answer is that frankly, you don't even know what they want, doesn't that strike you as extreme arrogance? Why does it matter what Trump wants?[/QUOTE]
Why try to make it all about what Trump wants ?
What about the senators who have been there. Do you think they have a better idea about what the people of Afghanistan want ?
Afghans want to live with tribal vendettas that have existed for hundreds of years and be left alone to do so, by the outside world. The constant shifting, warring and jockeying for power amongst each tribal unit has existed for thousands of years. It is their political system.
The current rulers only exist because America props them up with money and military aid.
They, more than any other nation, insist on living in the 16th century and they'll kill anybody who tries to change that, or occupy their nation, telling them what to do and how to live.
While this is a little extreme it's true. Most Afghans could care less about Afghanistan because they don't recognize any value to the modern nation state. To them tribal alliances are more important and our best bet is to contain them and let them do their own thing. Our biggest problem is that Pakistan (nukes) will not allow Afghanistan to become a satellite of India (nukes) and that tail wags the dog for now.
The concern at this point is if we pull out and leave a significantly weakened admin in place, the joint will quickly be overrun by thugs and become a breeding ground for ISIS to kick off the next wave of terrorist attacks in Europe and America. Similar to what happened in Iraq. This is a major consequence of long-term occupation, aka "you break it, you buy it.". That's why they call the situation a quagmire.
Then maybe rather than indulging in sunk cost fallacy forevermore, we should just get out of there and focus on protecting our borders.
Any potential terrorists that develop in the void there won't be able to do much harm to us if they can't even enter the country.
Ok, fair enough for Americans in the United States.
But what about Americans trying to determine the outcome in another nation that isn't ours? That's not arrogance?
Of course it is (arrogant). It's what America does. Meddle, steal from other countries, prop them up for them to turn around and become our enemies at some point in time.
The concern at this point is if we pull out and leave a significantly weakened admin in place, the joint will quickly be overrun by thugs and become a breeding ground for ISIS to kick off the next wave of terrorist attacks in Europe and America. Similar to what happened in Iraq. This is a major consequence of long-term occupation, aka "you break it, you buy it.". That's why they call the situation a quagmire.
If we leave 50 years from now, we'll leave a weakened Administration in place. Doesn't matter how long we stay.
The US presence makes any government in Afghanistan illegitimate.
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Why try to make it all about what Trump wants ?
What about the senators who have been there. Do you think they have a better idea about what the people of Afghanistan want ?
The ambassador isn't gonna step on the United States' toes no matter what he believes. He's an appointee of the Kabul government. What else is he gonna say. Without the United States propping up his government, he's insignificant. He wouldn't even have a job.
I don't care about what he says. I wanna know what an Afghan goat herder thinks, not a government official.
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Then maybe rather than indulging in sunk cost fallacy forevermore, we should just get out of there and focus on protecting our borders.
Any potential terrorists that develop in the void there won't be able to do much harm to us if they can't even enter the country.
Yep! This is straight outta the Sunk Cost Fallacy Bible.
[quote=desertdetroiter;49272826]If we leave 50 years from now, we'll leave a weakened Administration in place. Doesn't matter how long we stay.
The US presence makes any government in Afghanistan illegitimate.
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Originally Posted by phma
The ambassador isn't gonna step on the United States' toes no matter what he believes. He's an appointee of the Kabul government. What else is he gonna say. Without the United States propping up his government, he's insignificant. He wouldn't even have a job.
I don't care about what he says. I wanna know what an Afghan goat herder thinks, not a government official.
Yep! This is straight outta the Sunk Cost Fallacy Bible.
OK What do you want to know about goats ? Kind of like going to a mechanic to get your teeth pulled.
OK What do you want to know about goats ? Kind of like going to a mechanic to get your teeth pulled.
Hey, wouldn't you want Chinese government dictating what becomes of your country? After all, they're more experienced in government than you are. Right?
If we leave 50 years from now, we'll leave a weakened Administration in place. Doesn't matter how long we stay.
The US presence makes any government in Afghanistan illegitimate.
OK What do you want to know about goats ? Kind of like going to a mechanic to get your teeth pulled.
Lol. Ok wise ass!
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