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Because the government, which has no money of its own, of course, can only give you what it has stolen from someone else, who may be no better off than you are.
And most normal thinking people hate the idea of trafficking in stolen property.
Do you use public roads? Do you rely on the police? If you lived in the woods your point might have some merit...
And what policies are those, precisely? Allowing millions upon millions of illegal aliens, including those from radicalized, unassimilatable Islamic populations in the ME, into this nation unchecked? All while simultaneously wagging a condescending, sh*t-smelling finger in the faces of average Americans calling them "racists" and "Islamophobes" for daring to want our national sovereignty, character and culture preserved?
If that's the liberal idea of "improving lives", it's no wonder that they're on the outside looking in as far as political power and influence is concerned in D.C. these days, and have to instead rely on hate-filled, violent scum like Antifa to advance their smarmy agenda in the streets.
And what policies are those, precisely? Allowing millions upon millions of illegal aliens, including those from radicalized, unassimilatable Islamic populations in the ME, into this nation unchecked? All while simultaneously wagging a condescending, sh*t-smelling finger in the faces of average Americans calling them "racists" and "Islamophobes" for daring to want our national sovereignty, character and culture preserved?
If that's the liberal idea of "improving lives", it's no wonder that they're on the outside looking in as far as political power and influence is concerned in D.C. these days, and have to instead rely on hate-filled, violent scum like Antifa to advance their smarmy agenda in the streets.
Generally because things that will make my life better doesn't actually mean will make my life better. It has a tendency to mean make my life what BornintheSprings thinks will be better.
Want to make more? Lease a truck, get a better paying route. Set up with an evil capitalist accountant to get you the right advice and file your expenses properly. Or take what's comfortable to you, driving someone else's truck that they bought, that they maintain, that they pay for insurance on, and pay you to drive for them.
It's really not that hard... a friend of mine back in NY drove for Hudson River Bulk and was making 67k a year, kept his nose clean, made sacrifices to keep his cost of living down, he rented a single wide trailer for 500 a month, avoided dining out and fast food, picked up extra hours whenever he could, ran around in a 1200 dollar rust bucket Subaru, avoided women and having kids... today he's 29 owns 4 trucks, pays 3 other drivers, 2 dispatchers, has a huge shop and 6 full time mechanics 3 day shift 3 night shift, with 2 fleet service trucks for just in case... Plans on expanding into towing and recovery. Already takes other companies trucks in for repairs...
How'd he do it? He got his class A and hazmat license, leased a truck, and reinvested profits into buying a new westernstar glider with an overhauled/reman Detroit and road ranger, and his own trailers. Had one dump trailer for corn/feed, one standard cargo trailer, and one open flat bed trailer. He probably could have bought a new Volvo or pete... I know he had a contract for a cement company, ADM and another company for grain, and a contract with a fuel company that only required a truck insurance and hazmat license to haul from the port of Albany to distributors all throughout the capital region.
All in how you apply yourself and how hard you want to work. And the decisions you make/sacrifices you make. He's the exception to the rule because he didn't take what was comfortable, he took a risk, and it paid off.
Same as me. I took a hobby, made it into a career. I was pulling 80 100k a year wrenching diesels. I didn't punch out at 5 like everyone else. I didn't get married or have kids.
Can't tell me hardwork doesn't pay off. I still work in a dealership 3 days per week (no rust and corrosion like the northeast) producing 50+ hours. I took a risk. The money I had from selling my house paid off 1 truck, went for a down payment on another, and bought some equipment and a license. Had to drive down to West Palm after work to complete the license course.
3 days in a dealership. 3-4 days out in the sun.
None of that was handed to me. None. No assistance program. No woe is me. Same for my friend back in NY.
And what policies are those, precisely? Allowing millions upon millions of illegal aliens, including those from radicalized, unassimilatable Islamic populations in the ME, into this nation unchecked? All while simultaneously wagging a condescending, sh*t-smelling finger in the faces of average Americans calling them "racists" and "Islamophobes" for daring to want our national sovereignty, character and culture preserved?
If that's the liberal idea of "improving lives", it's no wonder that they're on the outside looking in as far as political power and influence is concerned in D.C. these days, and have to instead rely on hate-filled, violent scum like Antifa to advance their smarmy agenda in the streets.
What Character and Culture are you talking about....? Maybe one could benefit from learning more of History and of American History, and one might find that the contributions of people from many foreign places is what helped build America... Not just "European Ancestry"....
One might want to find out the various element of various sciences, and even the philosophies that many live by, including ones self, were originally developed in nations by some of the same people you despise. The selfishness mentality, is an American Groomed Ideology, by a history of long term racism and bigotry from an abusive system that ravaged humanity in America for 100's of years.
Go back and look at all the groups that have spun the circle of back and forth discrimination's, and you learn of the conflict that has raged for centuries among groups in this nation. What we have is "THE GOVERNMENT" to be thankful for the level of civility we have today. Because left up to people, and their individualized and group level multitude of biases, prejudices and racist and bigoted mentalities", We'd be no different than the various Islamic Sects Fighting against other Islamic Sects and we'd have in America the same among Religions fighting against other Religions, along with the race bias fights, and the culture clashes of people from various countries. We have enough of that divides in cities with stuff like Polish Town, German Town, Black Town, White Town, and Jewish Town, and Evangelical Town and all such craziness.
So, just what Character and Culture are you talking about? Because the only Character and Culture that can be talked about as being worth preserving is the "Character and Culture of Our Governance System", which serves to protects the rights of All from launching attacks upon and against each other.
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Regardless, I am totally against the welfare state.
I want all welfare done away with. Work or starve. Hunger is a great motivator.
There is a lot that can be done short of becoming a welfare state.
You're right in saying most people want to take care of themselves. The problem comes when they don't know how to get in a position where they can take care of themselves again after their old way left and took everything they know with it. It's hard to know what you don't know.
A middle-aged man who never graduated from high school because he could go get a pretty good job as soon as he was legal to work it isn't ever likely to work again when his job leaves town. But he won't starve, because the United States went beyond allowing our citizens to starve a long time ago.
But when a guy like that, who comes from a family who did the same things he did, and so did everyone he knows, gets cut loose just short of getting Social Security, and all the work he knows how to do is gone for good, how will he ever know how to make a complete re-start of his life?
He knows no one who can give him a clue. Everyone he knows is in the same boat he's in.
Where would you go to make a totally new start at age 50 if you had never been farther than the next state over in your life, and even then, only knew about a couple of towns there? If you didn't know a thing about office work, or any kind of work where they wear a white collar? What kind of work do those folks do? How did they learn how to do it?
Nobody is giving these people a road map with a clear direction to aim at. What they have now is all they have left, but at least the house is paid for. Can't sell it for more than a nickel on the dollar though, so they're stuck.
This guy I'm talking about and his town is already a welfare state.
Welfare money keeps the jobs still there, there. Welfare pays the cop's salaries. Welfare paid the sewer repairs. Welfare bought the new school books.
If they can't qualify, their family doctor, the guy who delivered their kids, will give him a disability exam that will qualify him for some early SSI. Because the doc needs to make a living too. Welfare pays him.
It isn't so simple as you make it out to be.
But this is a nation full of very smart people, and if we make this a priority, ways to break this human destruction can be found.
Right now, we are wasting and throwing away capable people like they are leftover fast food.
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Would you vote for universal housing, universal food and universal transportation where you pay a percentage of your income and receive the same housing, food and transportation as everyone else?
I would, but mostly because I’m lazy and inept in the basic mechanics of daily life. I’d happily consume low-quality food in a cafeteria, live in dormitory-style housing, wear a threadbare uniform and take my walks in the communal courtyard. Then I’d not have to worry about perennial decline in real-estate prices, or what’s for dinner, or laundry.
The above has nothing to do with altruism, social-justice, or “helping the least fortunate”. I simply don’t wish to be bothered with the mechanics of life, and would rather focus instead on writing, philosophy and chess.
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Why aren't people who can't make it here moving to other countries that will take care of them?
That’s an entirely fair question, and frankly, it boggles me. Why, other than retirees looking for a reduced-cost “ex-pat lifestyle”, aren’t droves of Americans immigrating to other countries, with better job-opportunities, more generous safety-nets, cheaper healthcare and a less frenetic work-culture? I ask this question without any facetiousness or guile.
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People don't like socialism because they see it as anti-freedom. ...
Freedom is hard. Very hard. That's why most of the world isn't really free. ....
But if freedom is indeed so hard, why is it necessarily so desirable? Is freedom a means to an end? If so, what’s that end? If freedom is an end in itself, well, what makes it so tantalizingly noble?
And at the risk of somewhat changing the topic, why are Americans so receptive to diminishing their freedoms for the purported benefit of greater physical security (from crime, terrorism, etc.) - while being so loath to exchange freedom for economic security?
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Want to make more? Lease a truck, get a better paying route. Set up with an evil capitalist accountant to get you the right advice and file your expenses properly. Or take what's comfortable to you, driving someone else's truck that they bought, that they maintain, that they pay for insurance on, and pay you to drive for them.
It's really not that hard... a friend of mine back in NY drove for Hudson River Bulk and was making 67k a year, kept his nose clean, made sacrifices to keep his cost of living down, he rented a single wide trailer for 500 a month, avoided dining out and fast food, picked up extra hours whenever he could, ran around in a 1200 dollar rust bucket Subaru, avoided women and having kids... today he's 29 owns 4 trucks, pays 3 other drivers, 2 dispatchers, has a huge shop and 6 full time mechanics 3 day shift 3 night shift, with 2 fleet service trucks for just in case... Plans on expanding into towing and recovery. Already takes other companies trucks in for repairs...
How'd he do it? He got his class A and hazmat license, leased a truck, and reinvested profits into buying a new westernstar glider with an overhauled/reman Detroit and road ranger, and his own trailers. Had one dump trailer for corn/feed, one standard cargo trailer, and one open flat bed trailer. He probably could have bought a new Volvo or pete... I know he had a contract for a cement company, ADM and another company for grain, and a contract with a fuel company that only required a truck insurance and hazmat license to haul from the port of Albany to distributors all throughout the capital region.
All in how you apply yourself and how hard you want to work. And the decisions you make/sacrifices you make. He's the exception to the rule because he didn't take what was comfortable, he took a risk, and it paid off.
Same as me. I took a hobby, made it into a career. I was pulling 80 100k a year wrenching diesels. I didn't punch out at 5 like everyone else. I didn't get married or have kids.
Can't tell me hardwork doesn't pay off. I still work in a dealership 3 days per week (no rust and corrosion like the northeast) producing 50+ hours. I took a risk. The money I had from selling my house paid off 1 truck, went for a down payment on another, and bought some equipment and a license. Had to drive down to West Palm after work to complete the license course.
3 days in a dealership. 3-4 days out in the sun.
None of that was handed to me. None. No assistance program. No woe is me. Same for my friend back in NY.
Operative word is basically not having a life. If I didn't give my fiance at least some time each day, she'd probably leave me. I'd rather die with her than die rich and alone
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