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Too many people have been trained to be victims = passive. They get sympathy and attention, and don't have to take responsibility for their lives. We all know people like that. I avoid them.
It's called self respect, work ethic and taking pride in your own accomplishments without suckling on the government teat.
Clear enough for you?
No it's not clear enough. Where do you draw the line? Are people who use public roads, public schools, fire departments, police departments etc sucking on the government's teat?
If you are fine with those, why not UHC? People in places like Canada don't think of us depending on the government since the money used to run UHC is our money in the first place and we all see the benefits. If not right now for ourselves, but friends and family who have gone through health issues and never worried about costs, or payments etc.
My taxes pay for public schools and I don't have children, but I don't feel I'm being cheated and that people with children should pay for their own schooling and that public schools should be banished.
Step back and look at the bigger picture. Instead of what is just good for you, but what is good for your society, your country, your neighbours?
It's nice to have self respect for your work ethic, but it shouldn't be dependant on which healthcare system you have. Respect that goes beyond ones self, is something to be achieved as well.
Its a figure of speech it means that its out of control
"OK"... Although, personally; I'd opt for slightly higher tax... if it improves Medical Coverage for the Masses. I am not for giving big corporation tax breaks, corporate taxes have been at 35% for 17 years, and before that, during the economic boom of America, taxes were up around 50%, so lowering corporate taxes WILL NOT help the American people, it only gives big corporation more money to "hide" in offshore accounts, and inspire them to seek out and pursue more means to displace even more workers. "Greed" is a condition, that is taught in University as to how to improve the conditions where greed can flourish, at the expense of the people and upon the backs of the people, for the benefit of the Executives and the Casino Gambling Stock investors. They have no idea what or why the stock market was created. It was not for gambling, it was created for long term investors and the common worker to invest in industry and business, for the benefit of research and development, stability and managed growth. Greed Training Turned it into the Industry Destroying Mechanism it has become.
I much prefer higher investment in our medical graduates to help fund, centers and facilities, that have multiple machines, such as 4-5 or so MRI, Cancer Radiation Machines, Ultra Sound and Etc.... which will "tremendously" lower the cost of these vital necessary units, and we can fund these graducates via HUD programming, and invest in the Small Business Start Up "Across America", which will bring down the cost and make more units available.
(Currently, the Hospitals that have these units, may have 1 or 2, and they keep the cost ARTIFICIALLY HIGH, because they have the market cornered on these services.
When we become a society that see's the need to broadly invest in "small business growth" in medical tech facilities and services, as well as Small Business Investment Development in Start Up and Stability, then we not only can fix things across the country, we can fix thing even in rural areas where services can be available to people at a rate that Insurance Can cover the bulk of such cost. )
We have to be a society that learns to grow differently.... Until we learn how to "unshackle society" from the controls of "Big Industry", we will continue to suffer many maladies of many sorts.
We have to re-learn what and how those who came before us built up America, and built it anew by the same principles they engaged, and that was the wide saturation of "small business". We can fix many of our problems with the broad investment in "small business start up", then we tap the creativity of people and we unshackle ourselves from big industry and the hold they have on our congressional people.
Just as Obama said: We must Rebuild From The Bottom Up, and that means Rebuilding For the Future. and he was "correct". Right winger don't have to like him, but "Truth is Truth", and they can deny the truth as their aim to dislike of him, but it does not make the Truth go away.
Working class is people who are above the poverty line but in non-management/non-professional level positions. So I am working class, even though I make $52k/year, because I'm a local truck driver
Want to make more? Lease a truck, get a better paying route. Set up with an evil capitalist accountant to get you the right advice and file your expenses properly. Or take what's comfortable to you, driving someone else's truck that they bought, that they maintain, that they pay for insurance on, and pay you to drive for them.
It's really not that hard... a friend of mine back in NY drove for Hudson River Bulk and was making 67k a year, kept his nose clean, made sacrifices to keep his cost of living down, he rented a single wide trailer for 500 a month, avoided dining out and fast food, picked up extra hours whenever he could, ran around in a 1200 dollar rust bucket Subaru, avoided women and having kids... today he's 29 owns 4 trucks, pays 3 other drivers, 2 dispatchers, has a huge shop and 6 full time mechanics 3 day shift 3 night shift, with 2 fleet service trucks for just in case... Plans on expanding into towing and recovery. Already takes other companies trucks in for repairs...
How'd he do it? He got his class A and hazmat license, leased a truck, and reinvested profits into buying a new westernstar glider with an overhauled/reman Detroit and road ranger, and his own trailers. Had one dump trailer for corn/feed, one standard cargo trailer, and one open flat bed trailer. He probably could have bought a new Volvo or pete... I know he had a contract for a cement company, ADM and another company for grain, and a contract with a fuel company that only required a truck insurance and hazmat license to haul from the port of Albany to distributors all throughout the capital region.
All in how you apply yourself and how hard you want to work. And the decisions you make/sacrifices you make. He's the exception to the rule because he didn't take what was comfortable, he took a risk, and it paid off.
Same as me. I took a hobby, made it into a career. I was pulling 80 100k a year wrenching diesels. I didn't punch out at 5 like everyone else. I didn't get married or have kids.
Can't tell me hardwork doesn't pay off. I still work in a dealership 3 days per week (no rust and corrosion like the northeast) producing 50+ hours. I took a risk. The money I had from selling my house paid off 1 truck, went for a down payment on another, and bought some equipment and a license. Had to drive down to West Palm after work to complete the license course.
3 days in a dealership. 3-4 days out in the sun.
None of that was handed to me. None. No assistance program. No woe is me. Same for my friend back in NY.
The same goes for robust welfare programs many working class people would stand to gain alot by having strong systems in place to protect them from poverty if a job is lost. It honestly makes no sense to me. Looking for some clarification.
It is the false consciousness that Marx talked about in Das Kapital. The lower and middle classes get duped by the upper class into thinking they too will be at the top some day, so they vote for what the upper class wants, even though it is detrimental to them
Not to mention confusing socialism with communism. Hell, some people equate merely raising taxes as something just barely this side of communism. The truth is that during the economic halcyon days of the 1950s, the top tax rate was 90% on income that, in todays terms, is just under $3 million per year - and stayed that way even during the Red Scare of the 50s (when you'd think "saving the rich" would be a very paramount concern, yet such a measure didn't get off the ground that I'm aware of).
Also, a lot of people equate communism and even socialism with atheism, when they're actually two different things. Well, to be fair, Marx did claim a true communist society was an atheist one, but social democracy, by definition, is on a different planet from Marxism-Leninism. It's just one big hysteria mosh pit.
After seeing certain people in my youth (having got sucked into it myself as a youth), plus further reinforced on this board, one gets the impression that these "communist behind every lamppost" types measure the truthfulness of a claim by how scarily sensational it sounds. The more "evil" the menace, the truer it just has to be. And to think so many of these same people think fear and feelings are for wimps, whiners, and losers.* Sure doesn't sound like these types are being all that manly to me, by their own standards.
*I actually do NOT think "wimps, whiners, and losers" deserve disrespect merely for that reason alone. I don't even think they are to be pitied. In fact, I started a post touching on this several months ago. It's just that I'm taking certain people's own assumptions about those kinds of people and slamming it right back down their throat.
Why do they vote against their own interests? Because they view everything through a partisan lens and are not interested in reality. This is how we get a total slimebag, enemy of the working man like Trump in office - a clown who regularly cheats the people he works with - as a "hero of the working class." It's all partisan nonsense.
Prime example from an right-wing "legacy friend" of mine who's heading towards acquaintance if he can't keep his mouth shut about how "all those people are going to hell." He worked for years at a large film and camera company that went bankrupt in early 2009. I knew him since 2000, so for 9 years he told me stories about how out of touch management there was, how they were still foolishly dependent upon film development for profits - great idea in the growing age of the digital camera! - and how they didn't stock what people wanted, charged high prices, were losing money, and so forth.
In short, the company was run poorly and dependent upon dying technology - film and the sales of non-cell phone cameras - to stay in business, and they were having their lunch eaten by everybody from photo development kiosks to cellphone cameras. Them going out of business after the crash of 2008 was a surprise to exactly no one, and my friend lost his good job because of that. It sucks, but again, it was inevitable.
Fast forward deep into the Obama presidency, and my right-wing "legacy friend" has right-washed HIS OWN LIFE STORY to now claim that the "ACA and Obama cost me my job, and that's why I hate liberals." Bullsh*t. The ACA went into law in 2010 - a full year after his mismanaged and already long-dying employer went into bankruptcy. I was there, as were other people, and we heard all the stories and saw all the reasons why that company failed - the ACA had nothing to do with it, and it did not magically travel back in time thanks to "liberal power" and kill his stupid employer.
So, that's the problem. We're dealing with people on the far right who are willing to change their own life story - rewrite events that they and other people eye-witnessed - just to fit their partisan bias that "everything, everywhere that has ever gone wrong is the fault of liberals/Obama/gays/Muslims/blacks/the poor." People who are willing to deceive themselves on that level cannot be counted on to vote in any non-partisan fashion. So, they'll vote to destroy themselves if that's what it takes to keep on voting R.
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Working class is people who are above the poverty line but in non-management/non-professional level positions. So I am working class, even though I make $52k/year, because I'm a local truck driver
That sounds like, "people in management don't work." I was in sales and marketing for many years and made much less than 52K/yr.
And those on the far-right can go live in Somalia or any other "government free" failed state where they don't have to pay taxes or help others... or perhaps some theocracy might more to their liking.
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