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Old 09-02-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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This!
No one will acknowledge it.

Easier to blame people than to acknowledge a systemic problem
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: London
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Operative word is basically not having a life. If I didn't give my fiance at least some time each day, she'd probably leave me. I'd rather die with her than die rich and alone
No one on their deathbed has said, "I wish I spent more time at work".
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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I've never been rich.

I used to be poor.

I worked my way to middle class on my own.

It took me decades to accomplish, but I did it without a degree and without government handouts.

Thinking that other able bodied people cannot accomplish what I did is where Left wing ideology breaks down and the soft bigotry of low expectations takes over.
amen.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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Other people are not my problem.
Except if they're in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Uh not me. I minimize what I pay in taxes because the fed just pisses it away. I don't have health insurance thus I fund no one.
What was the last war you opposed?
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Why don't they get some real job skills then? No one should be expecting to raise a family on fast food restaurant wages. If someone is good at grilling burgers, then go get a job at a real restaurant and learn how to become a chef. A cashier can graduate to being a server at a fine restaurant.

Low wages are for starter jobs, not anything that should be expected to be a career. And if they do, then they are indeed slackers that somehow want to spend their entire lives doing menial work. And that is no America's problem to fix. Life rewards the ambitious, and that's the way it should be. Why rewards anyone who is content floating through life and having babies willy-nilly?
For starters, not all poor people have babies "willy-nilly." That is a myth, and an ugly one, to boot.

There are several other things wrong with your argument. Not everyone has the ability to train for a better job. Are those who do not less deserving of a living wage, one that allows them to afford life's necessities? Also, even every single person in the country got some "real" skills, someone would still have to do those jobs. I'm not just talking about fast food jobs, either. There are many jobs that do not pay well, but make all of our lives easier: janitors, school bus drivers, retail employees, nursing home attendants, and the list just goes on and on. People can make the argument that low-wage jobs are for teenagers, but there are lots of jobs teens cannot, by law, do, and many of them do not pay well. By all means, let's have everyone acquire "real" skills, so we can have more college graduates saddled with debt, doing menial work that won't pay the bills, because the competition is more fierce than ever. Really good jobs are not infinite in number.

Last of all - and perhaps this will appeal to your common sense, if your common decency is impossible to awaken - when people who work are paid so little that they must supplement their wages with government assistance, it means the taxpayers are effectively subsidizing their employers. Does that make you happy? If it does, good for you. I just makes me mad.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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For example universal healthcare should be a no brainer the US is one of the least efficient countries when it comes to healthcare as a advanced nation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...east-efficient

The same goes for robust welfare programs many working class people would stand to gain alot by having strong systems in place to protect them from poverty if a job is lost. It honestly makes no sense to me. Looking for some clarification.
It's a head scratcher for sure.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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Most of them vote for the conservatives due to immigration rhetoric etc, the cultural ties and affinity with your own kind mean more to them than their pocketbooks.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Move somewhere where you think Universal stuff is great. You will soon love the USA even more..
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Why do so many working class americans vote against policies and people that would improve there lives?
We should start with education. Clearly we are failing.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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Except if they're in Iraq or Afghanistan.


What was the last war you opposed?
Still not my problem.

I oppose all war but if it comes to that I would conduct it with unremitting harshness and not this mamby pamby nonsense that is currently being conducted.
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