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Old 09-08-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:57 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They have already lost in prior cases, waste of time. He should be going after corruption, white collar crime, but no here we are back to the gay wedding cake. They will lose again, this is stupid.
Fine dining restaurants are allowed to refuse service to children. Age discrimination. Allowed. The baker will win this case.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Fine dining restaurants are allowed to refuse service to children. Age discrimination. Allowed. The baker will win this case.
Children are refused service in certain restaurants as do many businesses for both ambience and safety, it is applied equally across all races and genders. I don't recall any toddlers bringing up an age discrimination case, maybe that can be Sessions next project.


They have already lost in several cases, this is just to another desperate appeal to his right wing constituency. Its a waste of time but it will get them votes in 2018.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Children are refused service in certain restaurants as do many businesses for both ambience and safety, it is applied equally across all races and genders.
Exactly. So is declining to create a wedding cake for a same sex wedding.

The baker will win this case.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Is that the bakery that had to close its doors because of all of this media fueled backlash?

They won....I guess.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Exactly. So is declining to create a wedding cake for a same sex wedding.

The bakers will win this case.
The state law specifies sexual orientation. Denying service to the couple because they are gay is a direct violation of the states law.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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The state law specifies sexual orientation. Denying service to the couple because they are gay is a direct violation of the states law.
Therein lies the problem, and why this case is being heard at SCOTUS. Federal law and the Constitution supercede state law: US Constitution Supremacy Clause.

Religion is a federally protected class under the Civil Rights Act. LGBT is not:


Did You Know It's Legal To Discriminate Against LGBT? - NPR
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That is kind of an exaggeration isn't it? No life or death for a cake. Of course the government has a right to come in if it is life or death as Reagan did with the air traffic controllers strike. He said go back to work or lose your jobs. Not the same as go back to work and bake that cake for a gay wedding or lose your business. Most reasonable people can see the difference.
Why is the life of another person who I don't know, important to me?

Why should your views on the sanctity of life, be imposed on others?

Why is a person suddenly worth serving, just because they are dying?
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The state law specifies sexual orientation. Denying service to the couple because they are gay is a direct violation of the states law.
They weren't denied service because they were gay, they baker stated he didn't want to be any part of the cake creating.

Did you even pay attention to anything on this thread?
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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Therein lies the problem, and why this case is being heard at SCOTUS. Federal law and the Constitution supercede state law: US Constitution Supremacy Clause.

Religion is a federally protected class under the Civil Rights Act. LGBT is not:


Did You Know It's Legal To Discriminate Against LGBT? - NPR
"We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate."

"The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities."

"To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."

"Subsequent decisions have consistently held that the right of free exercise does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability on the ground that the law proscribes (or prescribes) conduct that his religion prescribes (or proscribes)."

A. Scalia
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