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Old 09-24-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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Kind of like the requirement to buy liability insurance as a condition of driving. They can charge whatever they want and in most states cancel your coverage or refuse to allow you to renew your policy without explanation.
You can choose to not drive. You do have many choices if you do decide to drive.

That noted, I believe that if the government is going to force something, there should be a non profit option.

 
Old 09-24-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Neither do the Republicans.
No Republicans voted for Obamacare. Zero. Or did you forget?
 
Old 09-24-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I am happy to report to you that the Democrats are very much interested in working with the GOP to improve the ACA!


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...macare/530376/
That's the problem ...they don't want it repealed. And it can't be "fixed." It should be repealed because it was unconstitutional in the first place.

And, by the way, don't link articles from The Atlantic. Not a credible source.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Most people couldn't seem to hear or understand a word Obama said while POTUS, especially when it came to this subject. For example, how many here have heard Obama speak about how the ACA came out after the legislative process versus what he had in mind when he campaigned to overhaul the system? How many heard him explain why it didn't come out perfectly?

How many even still can't seem to hear that progress doesn't always start with an immaculate conception?

Having been in business most my adult life, involved with the roll out of significant business programs, I surely know better than to think you can get a program as large as Obamacare "out the door" without significant issues that will need to be fixed and improved upon. What you have to do, however, is get the thing "out the door" and then move from there. That's how progress is had!

No progress comes from forever complaining something needs to be done while doing nothing...
Something here does not ring true. Someone who has been involved in "the roll out of significant business programs" (whatever you mean by that) does not write like a high school drop out.

As to your first comments, no part of Obamacare came by way of "the legislative process." That's why Nancy Pelosi had no idea what was in the bill, nor did anyone else. It was entirely created from the Executive Branch and handed to the Legislature, so that it appeared to be "legal" (all legislation must originate in the Legislative Branch). It is unconstitutional and illegal.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Something here does not ring true. Someone who has been involved in "the roll out of significant business programs" (whatever you mean by that) does not write like a high school drop out.

As to your first comments, no part of Obamacare came by way of "the legislative process." That's why Nancy Pelosi had no idea what was in the bill, nor did anyone else. It was entirely created from the Executive Branch and handed to the Legislature, so that it appeared to be "legal" (all legislation must originate in the Legislative Branch). It is unconstitutional and illegal.


Pelosi's comments were in reference to death panel comments and that nonsense. It wasn't not knowing what was in the bill and it went through the normal process.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You know, I'm not so sure this thing is DOA. These jokers have a week to cook something up. Some surprises may be coming.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's the problem ...they don't want it repealed. And it can't be "fixed." It should be repealed because it was unconstitutional in the first place.

And, by the way, don't link articles from The Atlantic. Not a credible source.
Anything can be fixed if there is a will, something as enourmous and critical as health care should be addressed by both parties. Reapealing health care without a viable replacement lacks basic common sense.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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Tide has turned. For many Americans, health care is seen more as a right than a privilege and I don't think it'll be easy to step back from that idea.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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Something here does not ring true. Someone who has been involved in "the roll out of significant business programs" (whatever you mean by that) does not write like a high school drop out.

As to your first comments, no part of Obamacare came by way of "the legislative process." That's why Nancy Pelosi had no idea what was in the bill, nor did anyone else. It was entirely created from the Executive Branch and handed to the Legislature, so that it appeared to be "legal" (all legislation must originate in the Legislative Branch). It is unconstitutional and illegal.
Not ringing true here
Many hearings and legislative input.
SC ruled it legal; therefore constitutional.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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That's the problem ...they don't want it repealed. And it can't be "fixed." It should be repealed because it was unconstitutional in the first place.

And, by the way, don't link articles from The Atlantic. Not a credible source.
Unconstitutional?
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