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Old 10-13-2017, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Name one war where us fighting it literally meant if we didn't fight it we would have been conquered and not allowed to vote or have our rights. The only one I can think of is our fight to become independent against Britain. No soldier alive today has literally fought for our freedom. All the other wars were us fighting on foreign soil usually imposing our belief system and political system on them (Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam).
You have to think about the consequences of these wars, I believe.

First of all,


Vietnam,

I think American troops have done wonderful things for the south Vietnamese people.

This said, If we "won"( for lack of a better term) the Vietnam war, then SE Asia would be far better off. The fall of Saigon triggered an internal genocide as well as the flight of the hundreds of thousands of “boat people” from then S. Vietnam. The human capital loss was crippling to the newly reunited Vietnam.

Chinese expansionism into the South China Sea may likely have been checked by a reunited Vietnam not willing to be intimidated by a traditional rival to the north.

ww2,

If Nazi won, I have to assume that Nazi Germany still attacked the Soviet Union. I’m going to assume that the Japanese still pursued their policies of expansionism and Mussolini continued ruling the way he did. All the three countries won in a military fashion. Vassal states and colonies are formed. The Imperial powers fighting on the Allies’ side would be forced to relinquish their territories. I’m also going to assume that nuclear arsenal isn’t developed by either sides.

Most European Jews would be exterminated, as Hitler collects a large amount of Jewish artifacts to establish his ‘Museum of An Extinct Race’. A large amount of Slavs, Poles, Gypsies and homosexuals would meet a similar fate.



Korean war

The US didn't lose the war, since South Korea still exists today, but it also didn't win the war, since North Korea also exists. The truth is that the Korean War (which is officially still ongoing ) was in the end a huge stalemate, although both sides had their peak moments.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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  • World War II - More than 2400 Americans killed and 1200 more wounded in the initial attack on the state of Hawaii.
Case closed

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(I blame it on the US Department of Education)
Nah, I just blame your response on your intellectual laziness. I’m sure that it isn’t your school’s fault.

Yeah, the Japanese and Germans were gonna conquer the United States.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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BTW...no war that we’ve engaged in since WW2 has had a damn thing to do with protecting our freedoms.

Vietnam, Korea, etc ... all cannon fodder wars.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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Name one war where us fighting it literally meant if we didn't fight it we would have been conquered and not allowed to vote or have our rights. The only one I can think of is our fight to become independent against Britain. No soldier alive today has literally fought for our freedom. All the other wars were us fighting on foreign soil usually imposing our belief system and political system on them (Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam).
Haven't you seen "Man in the High Castle"
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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"WRONG!!!

Japan intended the attack as a preventive action to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from interfering with military actions they planned in Southeast Asia against overseas territories of the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
They didn't know us very good did they? Hitler had some really bad advise as well. When the Enola Gay dropped the big ones on Japan and when B 17's were escorted by P51 Mustangs over Berlin bombing in the broad daylight Hitler and Japan both knew the magnitude of their folly.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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We aren't suppose to question wars.

We pay taxes and elect leaders to decide what we should die for.

That's the American way!

The one wonderful thing about this country is that a kid with both Japanese and German blood can now join the military. I think it is pretty awesome.

Freedom isn't free, whichever way you look at it.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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They actually used to teach Civics and History in our schools.
Now they just promote Anti-American Leftist Talking Points.
Schools are Political Arms of the Left, just as the Media is.

You need to get your children into a public school. If you have any concerns, get a copy of the course syllabus. If it is a state like NY, you can get a copy of the state mandate to prepare the students for the statewide regents examination, which I can assure you is not a "leftist" nor a "right" leaning document. Numerous law suits from both sides have made sure that the course criteria and exam are right down the middle, teaching all sides of all causes.


Sorry to burst your thesis.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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BTW...no war that we’ve engaged in since WW2 has had a damn thing to do with protecting our freedoms.

Vietnam, Korea, etc ... all cannon fodder wars.
They shot are boat!

They shot are boat!

Was it like something that happened before our entry into WWI?

Hey - it worked once, so we just thought we'd try it again.

We work for the banks, too, you know!

The Central Banks are globallers.

Back in the 80s at the Air Force Base where I worked, the Master Sergeant told me that in all of Asia, the Chinese were known to be the Jews of the Orient.

I once asked a Jewish scientist whether the Jewish system would ever work with the Chinese system.

He said, NO WAY!

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Old 10-13-2017, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Roosevelts sanctions baited the japanese to attack. Roosevelt desperately wanted a reason to enter the war.
If we would have stayed neutral the japanese would have had no reason to attack us.
Of course this isnt the version of events govt schools teach.
Yup, modern American defunct education system:
BLAME THE VICTIMS.
Sheesh.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:20 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The one wonderful thing about this country is that a kid with both Japanese and German blood can now join the military. I think it is pretty awesome.

Freedom isn't free, whichever way you look at it.

That's long been the case. I knew a man of Filipino/Japanese blood whose family was interned during WW II yet they lost a son in WW II and another in Korea, the gentleman I knew retired from the USN with the rank of Admiral.
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