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Old 11-06-2017, 05:43 PM
 
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According to Guns and Ammo, Bernie Sander's state is the second most gun friendly in the country

Best States for Gun Owners - Guns & Ammo

Politicians are all politicians. If you are a liberal democrat socialist in a largely rural state where everyone hunts and carries then you're going to have pro gun laws or you won't get elected.
Vermont and New Hampshire are some of the most gun friendly states in America. They are liberal states, but in the classical liberal sense. Very low murder rates, among the lowest in the USA.

Maryland is one of the least gun friendly states in the USA. It is one of the most murderous states in the USA. Baltimore,Maryland is one of the most murderous cities in the USA.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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Not only mental health issues, we have people with anger issues. We have people who are just evil and will kill no matter what. Taking guns away won't stop an evil person from killing another person.
I'd argue we have a social media problem. I don't think there were so many extremists before social media. Now there is fuel to every psycho's fire. But yes, per your other reply we might as well ban all cars and trucks if we are going to ban guns since cars and trucks are the terrorist weapon of choice now. Then we can ban fertilizer, gasoline, oxygen tanks, pressure cookers, cell phones, nails and anything else that a crazy person can weaponize
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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If you don't own a gun, you shouldn't be passing laws on them.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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Maryland is one of the least gun friendly states in the USA. It is one of the most murderous states in the USA. Baltimore,Maryland is one of the most murderous cities in the USA.
Baltimore, MD is ran by guess who? the dems/libs.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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Baltimore, MD is ran by guess who? the dems/libs.
So is Vermont. So is New Hampshire. Two of the most gun friendly places in America. Very low murder rates. Both are run by Democrats. But you ignored that in the post you responded to. You were itching to turn this into a partisan rant.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:08 PM
 
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Let's not make this about us vs. them.

I tend to lean more liberal but don't know what the answer is about how to make sure guns stay out of the hands of those that are mentally unstable. Let's talk about that.

Don't get defensive. You can keep your gun -- but how do we stop someone like this crazy man from getting a gun.

In this case it is clear that the system is broken or else he wouldn't have been able to buy guns, so let's talk about how to fix it.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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Let's not make this about us vs. them.

I tend to lean more liberal but don't know what the answer is about how to make sure guns stay out of the hands of those that are mentally unstable. Let's talk about that.

Don't get defensive. You can keep your gun -- but how do we stop someone like this crazy man from getting a gun.

In this case it is clear that the system is broken or else he wouldn't have been able to buy guns, so let's talk about how to fix it.
Seems the air force dropped the ball giving information that would have denied him during the NICS check.

The laws work when followed...
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Let's not make this about us vs. them.

I tend to lean more liberal but don't know what the answer is about how to make sure guns stay out of the hands of those that are mentally unstable. Let's talk about that.

Don't get defensive. You can keep your gun -- but how do we stop someone like this crazy man from getting a gun.

In this case it is clear that the system is broken or else he wouldn't have been able to buy guns, so let's talk about how to fix it.
In this case he had a criminal conviction and it involved spousal abuse and had be been reported by the Air Force he would have not been able to legally buy a gun. I agree on the mental health issue but in this case it came down to a criminal issue and the Air Force not doing their job under the Law.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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I'd argue we have a social media problem. I don't think there were so many extremists before social media. Now there is fuel to every psycho's fire. But yes, per your other reply we might as well ban all cars and trucks if we are going to ban guns since cars and trucks are the terrorist weapon of choice now. Then we can ban fertilizer, gasoline, oxygen tanks, pressure cookers, cell phones, nails and anything else that a crazy person can weaponize
Social media can play a role, but not in the way some people think. There have always been this many psychos in the world, this many extremists. Social media just gives them more attention. It's exposing what has always been there. The news networks cover things alot faster than years ago.

The idea that banning guns would stop extremists is the biggest lie ever. Timothy McVeigh. He used fertilizer. That terrorist in Nice, France. He used a truck to kill people. Drove it into people. People who want to commit mass murder are going to look for ways to do it no matter what.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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If you don't own a gun, you shouldn't be passing laws on them.
Deal. And if you don't have a uterus, you shouldn't be passing laws either. Agree?
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