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How many more children are we going to sacrifice in the name of the Second Amendment?
When you converse with enough hardline 2nd Amendment supporters you begin realize that a substantial number of them are really quasi-religious gun worshipers. Hence there is no logical argument, hard evidence, data, statistic or emotional plea you can present that would sway them. I would put Gun Fanatics, Muslims and SJW's as the most illogical, overly-emotionally and unreasonable people I have ever argued with. The fact that so many of them are willing to kill people or die in order to keep their guns (a mere inanimate object) tells you about the mental health of many of these people.
Had the Air Force done their job the law would have kept him from buying the guns. The law was in place..........
True, but it's still too easy to obtain a gun at gun shows or through friends. As long as we have a right to own a gun, we're going to have a problem.
Gun ownership should be considered a privilege, not a right.
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Originally Posted by KenFresno
When you converse with enough hardline 2nd Amendment supporters you begin realize that a substantial number of them are really quasi-religious gun worshipers. Hence there is no logical argument, hard evidence, data, statistic or emotional plea you can present that would sway them. I would put Gun Fanatics, Muslims and SJW's as the most illogical, overly-emotionally and unreasonable people I have ever argued with. The fact that so many of them are willing to kill people or die in order to keep their guns (a mere inanimate object) tells you about the mental health of many of these people.
I absolutely agree. They're not being rational about it. And many of these same people are still Trump supporters, which also requires a certain level of denial and blind faith.
True, but it's still too easy to obtain a gun at gun shows or through friends. As long as we have a right to own a gun, we're going to have a problem.
Gun ownership should be considered a privilege, not a right.
Oh but its Ok for govt and law enforcement to be exempt, right?
The purpose of the 2nd amendment was the best way to prevent tyranny from gaining traction in the US, "when a Govt is scared of its people, there is liberty, when a people are scared of their Govt there is tyranny"
Can you not see why the govt would want more people to believe access to firearms needs to be regulated and controlled? OF course a tyrannical Govt would never come out and call themselves tyrannical, tyranny will always try to disguise itself as security, its fairly easy to see, not sure why more people cannot recognize this?
BTW, its not a republican or democrat thing either, this goes much deeper than 2 temporary political parties, they come and go, history proves this.
1. No my comments aren't BS I'm surrounded by conservatives including family members and I know their warped mindset well. They remain quiet and in my opinion are complacent when these mass shootings occur, rarely is more than 2 words uttered.
2. That's right more than anything they serve as "toys" for target practice and an occasionally hunting for sport for the most part.
3. I have hatred and contempt for the mindset, the culture and it's awful impact not the people by in large.
4. Perhaps you are projecting a bit here I haven't seen this.
6. You mean my reference to the gun cultists. Those that are opposed to any sensible gun control and hide behind a twisted interpretation of the second amendment. The scummy gun lobbies the NRA and the complacent masses in this slaughters who should bear the weight of guilt.
Some members of my family are militant progressives. Which is why I never comment in these situations - I've heard enough over the years, being called a racist, bigot, extremist, and heard the dripping contempt when they utter the words "guuuuuun" to know no good will come out of any discussion with them. I won't change their mind, and they won't change mine. So for the sake of family harmony, I keep quiet, as do they.
The irony is that until very recently, I didn't own a gun, although I defend our constitutional right carry one. They, on the other hand, own multiple guns. Somehow, that's different.
Oh but its Ok for govt and law enforcement to be exempt, right?
The purpose of the 2nd amendment was the best way to prevent tyranny from gaining traction in the US, "when a Govt is scared of its people, there is liberty, when a people are scared of their Govt there is tyranny"
Can you not see why the govt would want more people to believe access to firearms needs to be regulated and controlled? OF course a tyrannical Govt would never come out and call themselves tyrannical, tyranny will always try to disguise itself as security, its fairly easy to see, not sure why more people cannot recognize this?
BTW, its not a republican or democrat thing either, this goes much deeper than 2 temporary political parties, they come and go, history proves this.
Gun enthusiast are the tyranny. I am far less worried about the cops or military then a bunch of deranged gun worshiping fanatics who act like the nation is constantly on the cusp of civil war.
I'm saying if we take away guns, the violent will find other ways. Tim McVeigh used a fertilizer bomb. The terrorist in New York used a truck. Even though he had a gun, the truck running into a crowd was just as deadly. A mall stabbing in St. Cloud, Minnesota. A steak knife used. Not a bowie knife, not a hunting knife, but a kitchen knife.
Limiting guns has not helped the cities of Baltimore and Newark, which have some of the worst murder rates in the USA. New Hampshire and Vermont, on the other hand, have some of the lowest murder rates in the USA, and those states are gun friendly.
The problem is violence. Violent people will use what is available to them to kill people. Taking away guns might take away their ability to kill via the gun. And even that isn't guaranteed. The violent live and die by violence. They live according to the ideal of "Disrespect me and you will be killed". I don't know a solution to the violence problem, because that problem does to culture, to mentality.
Just because some will circumvent laws is not a reason to avoid any regulation. Yes people can kill in many ways but imagined if the killer in this case just had a knife, should we be making it easier.
You are obviously hand picking you cities to support your conclusion, strict gun laws do in fact work in many cities and there is violent crime in others with an abundance of guns.
We do have a violent culture but we also have easy access to guns.
Gun enthusiast are the tyranny. I am far less worried about the cops or military then a bunch of deranged gun worshiping fanatics who act like the nation is constantly on the cusp of civil war.
It's because of people like you that this country is on the cusp of civil war. You wouldn't know tyranny when it's staring you in the face. You've got it in spades in your State of California. Tyranny by the majority.
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Just because some will circumvent laws is not a reason to avoid any regulation. Yes people can kill in many ways but imagined if the killer in this case just had a knife, should we be making it easier.
You are obviously hand picking you cities to support your conclusion, strict gun laws do in fact work in many cities and there is violent crime in others with an abundance of guns.
We do have a violent culture but we also have easy access to guns.
Imagine if the killer in this case just had a molotov cocktail? Should we be making it easier?
The "Happyland Fire" in 1990 killed 87 people, more than any mass shooting with only a dollars worth of gasoline in a container.
How about rental trucks? Should we be making it easier?
We do have a violent culture but we also have easy access to gasoline and vehicles. As a matter of fact we have easier access to those than guns. There are no background checks, NICS checks or government forms to fill out in order to legally purchase those items nor are there limits as to how much gasoline or how many vehicles you can own.
When you converse with enough hardline 2nd Amendment supporters you begin realize that a substantial number of them are really quasi-religious gun worshipers. Hence there is no logical argument, hard evidence, data, statistic or emotional plea you can present that would sway them. I would put Gun Fanatics, Muslims and SJW's as the most illogical, overly-emotionally and unreasonable people I have ever argued with. The fact that so many of them are willing to kill people or die in order to keep their guns (a mere inanimate object) tells you about the mental health of many of these people.
I have addressed that in another thread that was titled as gun violence.
I have posted deaths relevant to gun violence.
It is your sides emotional interpretation and manipulation to skew numbers to include suicide, accidents/negligent discharges as gun violence.
If we are being honest... And your premise is preservation of life... There are FAR many other things that need to be legislated and regulated. FAR more.
Emotion does not work on me. NOR should it work on anyone. It is feeble at best.
Also it does not help your cause with the attitude you hold, as if you are some how anointed to make a judgement call on mental health and labeling anyone who is a firearm owner/enthusiast/constitutionalist implied as deranged. Like your own words below...
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Originally Posted by KenFresno
Gun enthusiast are the tyranny. I am far less worried about the cops or military then a bunch of deranged gun worshiping fanatics who act like the nation is constantly on the cusp of civil war.
Really now, what is more tyranical.
Suggesting everyone and future generations be limited and restricted access to the weapons they want to defend themselves, their communities.
Suggesting everyone practice their constitutionally backed rights to keep and bear arms as they see fit.
Tell me which is tyrannical or you can only resort to knee jerk emotional tirades?
Because if we are being honest... Gun violence...
Biological Weapons that are Reported
Whats your answer to that one? Create a registry? Perform background checks before engaging in frivolous activities like promiscuous sex and IV drug use?
Private Transportation
Leading causes of death
Heart disease. Ban Fast Food. Perform background checks on fat people? Limit sedentary lifestyle activities?
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
Just because some will circumvent laws is not a reason to avoid any regulation. Yes people can kill in many ways but imagined if the killer in this case just had a knife, should we be making it easier.
You are obviously hand picking you cities to support your conclusion, strict gun laws do in fact work in many cities and there is violent crime in others with an abundance of guns.
We do have a violent culture but we also have easy access to guns.
Odd, I didnt see a clause in the constitution that states when a tragedy occurs the constitution can be overhauled by emotional tyrants.
Hand picking cities? Oh man, facts are a hard thing for the left arent they?
Muh Strict Gun Laws! Theyre not working in cities that have the strictest laws! Blasphemy!
Gun enthusiast are the tyranny. I am far less worried about the cops or military then a bunch of deranged gun worshiping fanatics who act like the nation is constantly on the cusp of civil war.
Should I not be able to protect myself, and family from armed intruders in a home invasion scenario? What would I do if I did not have a firearm? How about if I was car jacked? I attended a sentencing of a criminal many years ago in which a friend of mine was the prosecutor. The perpetrator held up a young couple at gun point in their car. He shot the husband, and kidnapped the woman. He raped her multiple times, and was going to then murder her as well, but she was able to miraculously escape to safety. The perp was tried, and convicted. If that couple had access to a gun, the man may still be alive, and the woman maybe unharmed. As they were defenseless the worst type of HELL happened to both of them.
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