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Old 01-12-2018, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Yes. And my relatives in Germany think the US is currently awash with morons in politics. They can't grasp the depth of ineptitude in the GOP. I HATE discussing US politic with them- It's frankly embarrassing.
And yet they keep voting for Angela Merkel?

Talk about moronic and embarrassing behavior.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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In light of the supposed recent comments by Trump suggesting that the US needs more immigrants from places like Norway, do Americans really believe that a large influx of people from places with as high a quality of life as Norway really would want to emigrate there? Or was it just hyperbole?

Realize that I'm not talking about a few here and there for specific job opportunities, I mean a large influx of immigrants from those places; sometimes by what I hear some Americans say it seems they believe even people from Scandinavia are lining up to go to the US. Do people really generally believe this?

I would think that Americans would understand supply and demand a little better to comprehend why only people from "the worst countries on earth" want to go over there en mass.
I don't believe and I don't think most Americans believe there are many Scandinavians that want to emigrate to the US but we have had Scandinavian immigration to the US in our history. Yes, the people from the most ****hole nations on earth are the ones that won't to migrate to the US en masse, not the countries that have a civilization like Norway & Sweden.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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I don't believe and I don't think most Americans believe there are many Scandinavians that want to emigrate to the US but we have had Scandinavian immigration to the US in our history. Yes, the people from the most ****hole nations on earth are the ones that won't to migrate to the US en masse, not the countries that have a civilization like Norway & Sweden.
What puzzles me is why Americans who oppose universal healthcare dismiss the systems of the countries who have this as socialised. Obviously in a way which labels socialism as a negative. As far as I know the US has public schools, public roads, a government run defence force and even a comprehensive health care system for over 65s. Would not these fall under the umbrella of "socialism"?

Australians who wish to move to the US are often young and motivated by adventure in the way so many more of our young people move to the UK for a few years. Some move as they marry Americans, though I have to say I personally do not know anyone like that. The people I know who are married to Americans have all ended up back here.

The other category is for people with very specialist skills where they have more opportunities in a country of 300 million+ than 25 million; people like Nicole Kidman, Rupert Murdoch, IT specialists, some academics, some elite sports people.

I would think that the situation would be similar for the Norwegians. Average people would have no advantage.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Do some people really take a statement like the one Trump made literally?

Are some really unable to discern that he was saying that educated immigrants are a quick net gain to a country?



And is there anyone left who doesn't know that many countries will only let in immigrants who are educated, self supporting, and often have a minimum net worth?

Do I agree with the policies of those countries? Not fully. I'm more generous and see benefit from the prospective of more than just economical. But neither am I dense enough to take the statement at face value. Mercy.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:27 PM
 
Location: FL
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In light of the supposed recent comments by Trump suggesting that the US needs more immigrants from places like Norway, do Americans really believe that a large influx of people from places with as high a quality of life as Norway really would want to emigrate there? Or was it just hyperbole?

Realize that I'm not talking about a few here and there for specific job opportunities, I mean a large influx of immigrants from those places; sometimes by what I hear some Americans say it seems they believe even people from Scandinavia are lining up to go to the US. Do people really generally believe this?

I would think that Americans would understand supply and demand a little better to comprehend why only people from "the worst countries on earth" want to go over there en mass.
'Thanks, but no thanks' - Norwegians reject Trump's immigration offer

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo.

Others condemned the U.S. president's comments as inappropriate or racist.

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote.

While hundreds of thousands of Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. in the 19th century, just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved there in 2016, down 59 from the previous year, according to Statistics Norway.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thanks-no...142638563.html
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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What puzzles me is why Americans who oppose universal healthcare dismiss the systems of the countries who have this as socialised. Obviously in a way which labels socialism as a negative. As far as I know the US has public schools, public roads, a government run defence force and even a comprehensive health care system for over 65s. Would not these fall under the umbrella of "socialism"?

Australians who wish to move to the US are often young and motivated by adventure in the way so many more of our young people move to the UK for a few years. Some move as they marry Americans, though I have to say I personally do not know anyone like that. The people I know who are married to Americans have all ended up back here.

The other category is for people with very specialist skills where they have more opportunities in a country of 300 million+ than 25 million; people like Nicole Kidman, Rupert Murdoch, IT specialists, some academics, some elite sports people.

I would think that the situation would be similar for the Norwegians. Average people would have no advantage.
To be honest, there are so many making trillions off of the current US system, they have paid for and successfully won the argument for now. My only reservation is we have not shown any ability to stop illegal immigrants in the millions upon millions from accessing our social services and I don't feel like paying for the world's ill as that's what would likely happen if we provided universal health care.

Australia has immigration based on what you can contribute and that's why Australia has been advancing in desirability over the USA which has allowed rampant illegal immigration and chain migration from people who are takers (admittedly many immigrants have been very productive because for sure many have been).
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:59 PM
 
Location: London
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'Thanks, but no thanks' - Norwegians reject Trump's immigration offer

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo.

Others condemned the U.S. president's comments as inappropriate or racist.

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote.

While hundreds of thousands of Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. in the 19th century, just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved there in 2016, down 59 from the previous year, according to Statistics Norway.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thanks-no...142638563.html
Lol. From the Conservative Party, no less.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:05 PM
 
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You call them terror stacks. I call it blowback. When you molest whole nations like we do, they fight back.

Americans have used terrorism in the furtherance of policy hundreds of times. We have never been above using terror when it suits us. Where were your objections THEN?

Sorry, but I like Muslim Americans. They belong here and contribute just as much or more than you do.
My objections were we shouldn't be attempting to meddle in the affairs of other nations. No foreign aid. No military interventions in Muslim countries, because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

Now, punishing them for sending terror abroad, I support that all of the time. I think every time they attack a Western nation we ought to nuke one of their population centers. They'd stop. If you said, next terror attack Mecca gets glassed, how many terror attacks do you think they would try against us?

They don't want to see their holiest site obliterated.

As for your inane comment about Muslims belonging here - how in the world would such a thing be possible? If they can't commit to being American, which means you can't believe in nutty crap like Sharia law or Al Taqqiya, or the aggressive "islam everywhere" crap they believe in...then you have no business being here at all, let alone being graced with citizenship.

Muslims have their own nations, about 1/3 of all nations on the planet, that are Islamic states...they can live there. They don't need to be here. And they do NOT belong here. They belong all on their own, by themselves, where their crazy cult beliefs cannot hurt others. And even that doesn't work - when there aren't any infidels to harass and conquer they just fight amongst themselves.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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'Thanks, but no thanks' - Norwegians reject Trump's immigration offer

"On behalf of Norway: Thanks, but no thanks," tweeted Torbjoern Saetre, a politician representing Norway's Conservative Party in a municipality near Oslo.

Others condemned the U.S. president's comments as inappropriate or racist.

"We are not coming. Cheers from Norway," one woman wrote.

While hundreds of thousands of Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. in the 19th century, just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved there in 2016, down 59 from the previous year, according to Statistics Norway.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thanks-no...142638563.html
Norway's population has dropped to 5.1 million
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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My objections were we shouldn't be attempting to meddle in the affairs of other nations. No foreign aid. No military interventions in Muslim countries, because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

Now, punishing them for sending terror abroad, I support that all of the time. I think every time they attack a Western nation we ought to nuke one of their population centers. They'd stop. If you said, next terror attack Mecca gets glassed, how many terror attacks do you think they would try against us?

They don't want to see their holiest site obliterated.

As for your inane comment about Muslims belonging here - how in the world would such a thing be possible? If they can't commit to being American, which means you can't believe in nutty crap like Sharia law or Al Taqqiya, or the aggressive "islam everywhere" crap they believe in...then you have no business being here at all, let alone being graced with citizenship.

Muslims have their own nations, about 1/3 of all nations on the planet, that are Islamic states...they can live there. They don't need to be here. And they do NOT belong here. They belong all on their own, by themselves, where their crazy cult beliefs cannot hurt others. And even that doesn't work - when there aren't any infidels to harass and conquer they just fight amongst themselves.
Ummm...your country was terrorizing their countries first. Don’t forget that. That’s why it’s called blowback. I know that you refuse to address that point, but I’m gonna keep bringing it up.

And again, I love Muslim Americans. They contribute just as much to this country as you do.,,maybe more.
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